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I've recently been getting more and more back in to Silent Hill recently due to my anticipation over the release of all the new games coming out next month. So, I figured, why not revisit the town and go back over some of its memorobilia? Well, this approach brought me to "Silent Hill 2: The Movie", a gameplay capture recorded by Fungo. Something interesting I noticed while watching it was osmething I saw at the very beginning, when he guides James over to the first roadblock you encounter. Above it is a sign which reads lists the distance to various locations past that point. Old Silent Hill is listed as being 50 miles past that point. This implies that either Toluca Lake is ridiculously enormous or the original team listed of arbirtraries numbers to put on that sign. On another interesting note, Brahams is listed as being 265 miles beyond that same point. Guess Cybil went pretty far out of her way to investigate Silent Hill in the first game, huh?

This is my speculation, I know the new devs are fixing TS's fallacy map wise, but I believe that they meant kilometers and not miles.

I always believed that they just needed decimals in those mile numbers, making OSH 5 miles away, and Brahms 26 miles away.

Yeah, the sign in the original game is pretty inaccurate, unless the geography is totally warped like that, lol.

To quote Alan Wake, its not a lake; its an ocean

Toluca Lake looks friggin' huge on the maps. And kilometers? That wouldn't make sense considering what the brown sign says to the left. Kilometers isn't used as commonly as miles anyway. Perhaps there was a chance they were going to add decimals. Or maybe they just threw up random numbers as a placeholder and forgot to go back and edit them. There's no telling unless somebody wants to tweet that picture to Ito asking him.

In the HD Collection the numbers have been changed to:
Pale Ville 6
Old Silent Hill 6
Brahms 11

The Pale Ville National Park still stands at 10 miles.

Xuchilbara wrote:This is my speculation, I know the new devs are fixing TS's fallacy map wise, but I believe that they meant kilometers and not miles.

Considering that Silent Hill is supposed to be somewhere in the US it is highly unlikely that they would have meant kilometers since the US operates officially on the English Standard of Measurements.

It's safe to say that either TS wasn't quite aware that miles are not the same thing as kilometers or they did in fact just toss up random numbers on a sign and forgot to change it.

Either way, just goes to show that TS didn't plan -everything- out like some people like to think

Edit: Crunched the numbers there too Xuchilbara, even if it was in Kilometers here would be the distances converted back over to miles.

Paleville
6.2 Miles

Old Silent Hill
31 Miles

Brahms
164.3 Miles

So both of the latter locations would be extremely far away still, especially Old Silent Hill considering all that separates Old and New is a Lake.

So I'm revising my theory and saying TS just really didn't bother to figure reasonable distances out.

_Bleaux wrote:So I'm revising my theory and saying TS just really didn't bother to figure reasonable distances out.

or they meant Paleville 10, OSH 5.0, Brahms 26.5, which is perfectly reasonable.

Somehow I doubt that. The addition of decimals (especially for five miles) would be too strange. I just think it's nothing more than a small error. But IIRC I think something tweeted this pic to Ito and he couldn't remember anything about it.

Augophthalmoses wrote:Somehow I doubt that. The addition of decimals (especially for five miles) would be too strange. I just think it's nothing more than a small error. But IIRC I think something tweeted this pic to Ito and he couldn't remember anything about it.

Not really. If you think about it in western terms maybe, but I've seen plenty of road signs use decimals where we wouldn't when heading to Okuma in Okinawa.

the lake is magic, it can be as big as it wants. THE TURTLE

Augophthalmoses wrote:Somehow I doubt that. The addition of decimals (especially for five miles) would be too strange. I just think it's nothing more than a small error. But IIRC I think something tweeted this pic to Ito and he couldn't remember anything about it.

I see decimals on road signs all the time. Since it's a small detail in the game, maybe they didn't feel like adding them. In any case, it makes a lot more sense to me than saying Brahms in 265 miles away. Surely, even people who use the metric system understand that 265 is a helluva lot more than 10 or 5, especially if it's "the next town over."

Similar mistakes happen all the time in the industry so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume it was just an error on their part.

As I posted earlier, the distances have been changed in the HD Collection. I wonder what prompted that...?

Q. Valintyne wrote:As I posted earlier, the distances have been changed in the HD Collection. I wonder what prompted that...?

Fans bitching about "errors" for the past 11 years? Though I remember lots of people back in the day also saying it was just lacking decimals.

I once heard even Moses himself couldn't part Toluca Lake. Then again, It was just written in some old book.

And Shepherd's Glen is just west of Toluca Lake, too. It'd be awesome if somebody made a huge map of the entire area.

Wooden Plank wrote:And Shepherd's Glen is just west of Toluca Lake, too. It'd be awesome if somebody made a huge map of the entire area.

We assume Shepherd's Glen is west of Toluca Lake. In reality, it could be anywhere along the North or South shore. I'm sure they wouldn't have been dumb enough to put it on the west side. I hope...

MurphyPendleton wrote:http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs25/f/2008/112/2/e/Silent_Hill_Town_Map_by_thorcx.jpg
There Is A Map Of Most Of It

That is one of the best maps I've seen too. I downloaded a copy of it. If no one gets around to adding Downpour to it I'll have to do it myself.

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