Why I Believe Silent Hill: Homecoming Should Stand Alone

[captain crowbar]

I think it's all on one plane of reality but that it gets manipulated by an infinitely powerful force that warps reality into alternate realities.

So, in essence, you go along with all the fundamentals of the Multiple Dimension theory but, for whatever reason, insist on using different and more complicated terms to explain it. Which means you're arguing for what reason? What is the practical difference between an alternate reality and an alternate dimension, in the terms of this debate?

Because I refuse to believe that there is:

O <--- Earth

O <--- Silent Hill world

It's all happening in reality until Silent Hill changes reality into another reality/universe/plane of existence. It's not like there is another world floating waiting for the perfect chance to go around nomming on people. Mr. Blaustein agrees.

And I'm not arguing. I'm just stating facts. And the fact is, canon is dictated by the creators and not people on forums, not TP, and not people just trying to find flaws in TP logic so they can score imaginary internet points.

Look, it doesn't matter anyway. If someone wants to think that the UFO stuff is the only real canon, then it's not a big deal. It's a vidya game series.

[devil hunter]

SH 4 has proof that it's all happening in another dimension.

[captain crowbar]

SH 4 has proof that it's all happening in another dimension.

I'm going with what Jeremy Blaustein said about it.

But everyone should agree that SH4 works on a different set of rules than every other game in the series. It probably does take place solely in a pocket dimension created by Walter's mad voodoo. Walter himself appears to be making the otherworld(s), and not Silent Hill...at least the way I see it.

[devil hunter]

I don't understand if you believe in multiple dimension theory or not anymore.

[Augophthalmoses]

Translation of all the crowbar bullshit: He basically agrees with the MDT theory. He's come to recognize it doesn't work any other way, but uses different, Daffy Duck terminology to explain it to avoid outright saying that he does support it. Because it is apparently too much of a hipster thing to do. That and it would contradict all his past comments in his MDT thread and his youtube comments of how the games couldn't fit into the MDT.

I mean he openly endorsed the dreamworld theory Pyramid Heart came up with and latched onto it despite it being nothing more than a different take on the MDT.

Then he makes a big deal out of it on TwinPerfect's page of how Jeremy "agreed with his theory" despite the fact he never even thought up said theory by himself and openly bashed those who supported the MDT prior to all this.

[JaneTheNurse]

Guys...

I think you're getting a little off topic. Also, this has been discussed WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too many times on this forum.

But whatever. As far as I'm concerned, it's all the real world. Think about the transition that takes place in Spirited Away when Sen gets caught up in the spirits' world. It's not really a trip to another world. It's just another state of the world, I guess.

[NarooN]

None of this matters because UFO = the true canon.

ne1 hoo argoos otherwise is a dumb

[captain crowbar]

Augo likes to claim that the creators don't make canon and that he's smarter than the creators. Anyone actually think his opinion is even remotely credible?

But whatever. As far as I'm concerned, it's all the real world. Think about the transition that takes place in Spirited Away when Sen gets caught up in the spirits' world. It's not really a trip to another world. It's just another state of the world, I guess.

This. It's reality being warped, not people being taken to other worlds.

I don't understand if you believe in multiple dimension theory or not anymore.

What is it that you think is going on? There are a number of other worlds just like ours floating in space that silent hill transports people to? No, I don't believe that at all.

I believe that reality warping is going on in the real world, and that creates an alternate plane of reality out of the reaction. Which is what Tomm Hulett and Jeremy Blaustein think is happening...which makes it canon. Which means any other theory is NOT canon, no matter how hard Augo wants to BS it.

[what]

What is an 'alternate plane of reality' but 'the same god damn thing as an alternate dimension in every possible practical sense'.

Which means, you're not disagreeing with the multiple dimension theory so much as you are plagiarizing it.

[Purramid_Head]

No, anatogonizing comments against other users please. That goes for you too, Crowbar calling another member out.

[NarooN]

So reality is being warped? What happens to the hundreds or thousands of people who live in SH while the games are taking place? Are they being put into some hidden stasis room like Gordon from Half-Life? Makes no sense.

[Augophthalmoses]

Augo likes to claim that the creators don't make canon and that he's smarter than the creators. Anyone actually think his opinion is even remotely credible?

Just give your banal trolling attempts a rest, man. It's pretty apparent you do believe in the MDT because you realize it can't work any other way.

[Purramid_Head]

Stop antagonizing other members. If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all.

[devil hunter]

So reality is being warped? What happens to the hundreds or thousands of people who live in SH while the games are taking place? Are they being put into some hidden stasis room like Gordon from Half-Life? Makes no sense.

Yeah, that's why MTD theory makes sense.

What is an 'alternate plane of reality' but 'the same god damn thing as an alternate dimension in every possible practical sense'.

THIS. There's evidence that people live in SH. Foggy SH looks abandoned, Otherworld makes it looks even worse. SH we're exploring in the games is the total opposite, it's an alternate dimension/reality.

[Purramid_Head]

Jeremy said that there were two worlds, basically. Not multiple, as in more than two.

[captain crowbar]

What is an 'alternate plane of reality' but 'the same god damn thing as an alternate dimension in every possible practical sense'.

Which means, you're not disagreeing with the multiple dimension theory so much as you are plagiarizing it.

You don't know what the MDT is, do you?

MDT states that there are multiple worlds already in existence in other dimensions and people are being transported to and from them by supernatural forces.

The theory that Tomm Hulett and Jeremy Blaustein believe in is not MDT. Because they view it as reality being converted into another world around the protagonists, not the people being taken out of reality.

When something can change reality at will, there are any number of explanations for what cannot be explained easily.

Occam's Razor.

Jeremy said that there were two worlds, basically. Not multiple, as in more than two.

The second world is the aftermath of the mental projections being bought into reality and reality being warped to accept them. Thus, real world and then eventually Otherworld(s).

As stated earlier, this is not and never has been the MDT.

[devil hunter]

The way you explain it contradicts SH 4.

[captain crowbar]

The way you explain it contradicts SH 4.

How so? Henry is trapped in his apartment, which appears normal but is completely blocked off from the outside world in every conceivable way. He then enters various otherworlds (although it could just be one big otherworld with like a million exits...there is a staircase connecting "them", and all holes lead back into the apartment) that Walter creates using powers he gained from Silent Hill's influence via cult rituals.

Have you ever seen 1408?

[devil hunter]

The way you explain it contradicts SH 4.

How so? Henry is trapped in his apartment, which appears normal but is completely blocked off from the outside world in every conceivable way. He then enters various otherworlds (although it could just be one big otherworld with like a million exits...there is a staircase connecting "them", and all holes lead back into the apartment) that Walter creates using powers he gained from Silent Hill's influence via cult rituals.

Have you ever seen 1408?

Because Henry is clearly in another reality. He can't get out of his apartment, when he tries to yell or hit the door no one hears him, it's like no one lives there. He can't even open the windows.

When he finally opens the doors he's still in the otherworld, he's not in our reality.

Yes, I have seen it. It's the same thing there. People check the apartment but they can't find the main character who is in that apartment.

[captain crowbar]

The way you explain it contradicts SH 4.

How so? Henry is trapped in his apartment, which appears normal but is completely blocked off from the outside world in every conceivable way. He then enters various otherworlds (although it could just be one big otherworld with like a million exits...there is a staircase connecting "them", and all holes lead back into the apartment) that Walter creates using powers he gained from Silent Hill's influence via cult rituals.

Have you ever seen 1408?

Because Henry is clearly in another reality. He can't get out of his apartment, when he tries to yell or hit the door no one hears him, it's like no one lives there. He can't even open the windows.

When he finally opens the doors he's still in the otherworld, he's not in our reality.

Yes, I have seen it. It's the same thing there. People check the apartment but they can't find the main character who is in that apartment.

I take the fact that the ghosts and hauntings are literally forcing their way into his apartment to indicate that his apartment is the equivalent to Fog World in other games, and that it's halfway between normal everyday reality and the otherworlds being generated by reality warping influences. Thus, it's not easy to define (pretty much what Jeremy said).

It probably works under different rules because of how the otherworld is created. Walter is making it/them himself, so the possibilities are vastly different. Nobody said every game has to happen the same way. SHSM for instance:

REVEAL SPOILER

Has everything happening in someone else's imagination. No alternate dimensions needed.

Thus, even if it IS another world at the time, it's clearly not one that has always been there, waiting for people. It also didn't draw Henry into it like the way you keep thinking the games do. He lived there, and stuff slowly started happening, until finally, he could no longer leave and things started happening around him, and finally a hole opened up into Walter's otherworld(s).

Seriously, I'm going by what the creators are saying/have said. If you try and say that Jeremy or Tomm think it's happening like the movie when they say that's without a doubt NOT what's happening, then what are you trying to say is the "right answer?"