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Keichiro Toyama's response to the Cybil debate

Post by Augophthalmoses on Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:46 pm

Courtesy of Masahiro Ito for translating the question to Toyama.

http://alchemillahospital.net/keichiro- ... ng-of-sh1/

The question:
@adsk4 (Translate) Dear Toyama-san, I am a huge fan of your work on Silent Hill! If you could spare time, I would like to ask you some questions regarding the storyline in your game. When you wrote Silent Hill, which ending did you originally write as the true ending? Bad, Bad+, Good, or Good+ ? The Good+ ending was the hardest to achieve, was that because you wanted players to work hard for the real ending? Was Cybil suppose to die, or was she supposed live and leave with Harry and the baby out of Silent Hill? Thank you for your time, I hope to hear back from you soon!


Toyama's response given by Masahiro Ito on his twitter.
@null I’ve received the answer. He said,
“I started to write that story without to decide ending, but I thought it was necessary to make a great change and surprise in it, toward writing the ending of the story. So I thought up the dead of Cybil and “Good+” ending. I thought it was desirable that the “Good+” ending would be become clear after few weeks since it was released, but it was found out immediately.
I remember that I said “Good” was the true ending, because Good+ is a game’s game. Probably, Owaku rememberd that and he wrote SH3 story as a sequel to “Good”.But, now, I change my mind and consider the “Good+” is a true ending.
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Post by Averak on Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:23 pm

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Post by NarooN on Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:31 am

Guess that settles it for real now, lol.
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Post by Wooden Plank on Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:22 pm

So this means Good+ is canon? Nice. I like that ending. Second favorite, to be precise.
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Post by Augophthalmoses on Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:00 pm

What the article basically says is that Toyama didn't really have an ending in mind when developing the game. Sometime later (maybe at SH1's conclusion or the time they were developing SH3) an ending had to be decided on and Toyama picked the Good one with Owaku carrying this information forward in the sequel. Then over time Toyama changed his mind and preferred the Good+ ending. Doesn't really change what Owaku implemented in SH3 though.
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Post by captain crowbar on Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:34 pm

When I played the game, I didn't murder Cybil.
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Post by clips7 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:23 pm

*I cut and pasted what i wrote in the Helldescent forum..yeah lazy i know!!* ;)

I've already been in over a dozen discussions concerning this ending. Naturally "good" is the one true ending since it directly connects it's theme from the first game to the third. There's no way Harry would've known what to do with the mysterious red liquid and furthermore before you even do that you have to let Cybil actually grab you.

Nobody back then would've thought to have let a crazed possessed Cybil grab them or even thought that was in the gaming mechanic, back then if a creature like that even touched you, you would think it would end up killing you...

That said, i always stated i wanted to see a stand alone game starring cybil and just to let her experience her own personal horror since SH1. Even tho she wasn't mentioned in 3, i think they could still craft it in a way to show that she survived somehow(If they wanted to pursue a game starring Cybil)...it really doesn't matter to me tho, as far as i'm concerned Heather's story is finished, and i'm perfectly fine with closing that chapter and having new entries with different characters and interesting storylines.
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Post by NarooN on Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:51 am

^I almost never let her grab me -- I'd just run close to her and use it, and it'd work.
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Post by Floodclaw on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:19 pm

I don't believe this means Good+ is canon.
What I think Toyama meant was that Silent Hill 3 was written with the Good ending in mind (thus making it canon for the series), but when SH1 is taken as an individual entity, he considers Good+ the true ending because he prefers it.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by NarooN on Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:30 pm

Yeh, she's still dead in the main canon, but yeah. Woulda been cool if SH1 were written a bit differently, so she could be saved (in a way that was realistically possible).
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Post by Purramid_Head on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:06 pm

Floodclaw wrote:I don't believe this means Good+ is canon.
What I think Toyama meant was that Silent Hill 3 was written with the Good ending in mind (thus making it canon for the series), but when SH1 is taken as an individual entity, he considers Good+ the true ending because he prefers it.



This is what Ito, me, and everyone else keeps saying. The fans need to let this die and stop being whiners about the canon not going the way they want.
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Post by NarooN on Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:11 pm

I don't see why it's been much of a debate anyway. Owaku himself stated in the Book of Lost Memories that even though she doesn't appear in SH3, what happens to her after SH1 is up to player's imaginations. Although the likelihood of Harry knowing what the red liquid was and what it could do, and throwing it on Cybil to rescue her were pretty slim, it theoretically could happen. Whatever people wish to believe though, doesn't matter because it's just up to what people want it to be.
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Post by Trauma on Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:08 am

captain crowbar wrote:When I played the game, I didn't murder Cybil.

Unless you used a guide, I'm calling bullshit...
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by captain crowbar on Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:55 pm

Trauma wrote:
captain crowbar wrote:When I played the game, I didn't murder Cybil.

Unless you used a guide, I'm calling bullshit...


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I had to use a guide to get all the Kaufmann side quest stuff. I just sort of accidentally a Cibil.
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I tried to fix it, but it was obviously too awesome.
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Post by Averak on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:58 am

Floodclaw wrote:I don't believe this means Good+ is canon.
What I think Toyama meant was that Silent Hill 3 was written with the Good ending in mind (thus making it canon for the series), but when SH1 is taken as an individual entity, he considers Good+ the true ending because he prefers it.


Somehow, I agree to that
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Post by kef1466 on Mon May 28, 2012 12:36 pm

I´m glad to here this! Cybil has got to be one of my favorite SH characters, and I always liked the idea of Harry and Cybil becoming a couple and later raising the child together. It´s kind of a cliche idea but I really wanted Cybil to live and for her and Harry to have a happy ending.

It would have been nice to if in SH3, Cybil could have been in Heather´s memories or a supporting character, but since that game followed a different canon, that was not possible. Oh well, I guess that is what the fandom is for :)
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Purramid_Head on Mon May 28, 2012 7:50 pm

It doesn't matter because 3 has been written as a sequel to 1. Fans y u no let this die?
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Post by Augophthalmoses on Mon May 28, 2012 7:52 pm

Xuchilbara wrote:It doesn't matter because 3 has been written as a sequel to 1. Fans y u no let this die?

There's your answer.
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