On the Exclusion of the Original Silent Hill

[Yaywalter]

Re-doing a handful of things =/= Re-doing everything

The music will remain untouched. The 3D models will remain either entirely or mostly untouched. The gameplay will remain untouched.

They are NOT keeping those untouched, this is what I am trying to tell you. It's been all over the news. Are you paying attention?

What exactly in that picture has changed from the original? As far as I can tell, the character model of Heather featured in that picture is the exact same one used in the original PS2 version. It only looks better because it's being rendered in HD.

Unlike PS1 games, a lot of 3D models in PS2 games are of enough geometric detail that a simple increase in resolution can bring them to life and make 'em look a heck of a lot better.

[Wooden Plank]

PS1 games would look like ass on the PS3. Especially on a large-screen TV.

[JaneTheNurse]

I find it funny that so many games refer back to the first Silent Hill, yet none of them refer back to the falling ash of the first fog world. It's always just... fog. No ash. Just fog. Weird.

[Purramid_Head]

What exactly in that picture has changed from the original? As far as I can tell, the character model of Heather featured in that picture is the exact same one used in the original PS2 version. It only looks better because it's being rendered in HD.

Unlike PS1 games, a lot of 3D models in PS2 games are of enough geometric detail that a simple increase in resolution can bring them to life and make 'em look a heck of a lot better.

Are you serious?

[devil hunter]

I find it funny that so many games refer back to the first Silent Hill, yet none of them refer back to the falling ash of the first fog world. It's always just... fog. No ash. Just fog. Weird.

I think it was snow in the first game. It was ash in the movie.

[OneFreeMan]

I find it funny that so many games refer back to the first Silent Hill, yet none of them refer back to the falling ash of the first fog world. It's always just... fog. No ash. Just fog. Weird.

I think it was snow in the first game. It was ash in the movie.

If memory service's me right I think that may be true because he says how weird that its that its snowing out of season, although I may be wrong.

Also despite being very ill-educated on the complexity of turning video games into HD I would believe it would be pretty hard.

[emma]

I think it was snow in the first game. It was ash in the movie.

same thing happen to me too at my first time!

[captain crowbar]

I find it funny that so many games refer back to the first Silent Hill, yet none of them refer back to the falling ash of the first fog world. It's always just... fog. No ash. Just fog. Weird.

I think it was snow in the first game. It was ash in the movie.

Yeah, it's snow. Kaufmann actually says specifically that it's snow at some point. It was ash in the movie like devil said, and for some hurpadurp reason, they did it in Homecoming too.

In the movie it made sense with the narrative to change it to ash.

[Yaywalter]

What exactly in that picture has changed from the original? As far as I can tell, the character model of Heather featured in that picture is the exact same one used in the original PS2 version. It only looks better because it's being rendered in HD.

Unlike PS1 games, a lot of 3D models in PS2 games are of enough geometric detail that a simple increase in resolution can bring them to life and make 'em look a heck of a lot better.

Are you serious?

So... they removed the blinds, which frankly I think looks worse from a stylistic perspective. The also changed the 3D model for the food basket and also the plant.

They also fucked with the lighting, so the scene's darker but less moody and ultimately worse-looking.

Now let's compare that to what hasn't been changed in that shot:
The 3D model and textures of Heather.
The 3D models and textures of the condiments.
The 3D models and textures of the chairs and table.
The 3D model and texture of the pot(s)
The textures for the floor and wall.

[devil hunter]

Wow....you really don't get it do you?

They are changing blinds and other stuff, that's why they're not present. They also probably changed the stuff you don't see changed here yet by now.

[Yaywalter]

Wow....you really don't get it do you?

They are changing blinds and other stuff, that's why they're not present. They also probably changed the stuff you don't see changed here yet by now.

On the contrary, it's you guys who don't get it.

Even if that screenshot is a "work in progress" like you say and they plan on changing even more stuff, it's still obvious that they're starting with the existing SH3 material and just changing it as they go along. They aren't completely remaking them from scratch.

If they were actually remaking the games, there's a few different things that would happen:
1. The games wouldn't be bundled into a collection. Completely remaking a game from scratch is equivalent in difficulty and cost to making an all-new game, so it would be financially unviable and/or undesirable to bundle two complete remakes together. Plus, if they were complete remakes, they'd have no difficulty marketing them as separate titles.

2. We'd see an HD Silent Hill 1 with completely redone visuals up to today's current standards, minus all the wacky gameplay and story changes that came along with Shattered Memories.

3. The visuals in 2 and 3 would be significantly more improved than what we're currently seeing.

[Purramid_Head]

Wow....you really don't get it do you?

They are changing blinds and other stuff, that's why they're not present. They also probably changed the stuff you don't see changed here yet by now.

On the contrary, it's you guys who don't get it.

Even if that screenshot is a "work in progress" like you say and they plan on changing even more stuff, it's still obvious that they're starting with the existing SH3 material and just changing it as they go along. They aren't completely remaking them from scratch.

Nobody was saying they were. We were saying they were building the HD part from the ground up. Not a single person said anything about them REMAKING 2 nor 3. If they did, I'd like to see the quote because I know I did not say that or imply it.

[Yaywalter]

Wow....you really don't get it do you?

They are changing blinds and other stuff, that's why they're not present. They also probably changed the stuff you don't see changed here yet by now.

On the contrary, it's you guys who don't get it.

Even if that screenshot is a "work in progress" like you say and they plan on changing even more stuff, it's still obvious that they're starting with the existing SH3 material and just changing it as they go along. They aren't completely remaking them from scratch.

Nobody was saying they were. We were saying they were building the HD part from the ground up. Not a single person said anything about them REMAKING 2 nor 3. If they did, I'd like to see the quote because I know I did not say that or imply it.

"HD" is just resolution. Redoing some 3D models might make it look better in HD, but all they need to do to make something HD is just make it render at 1280x720 or better. Clearly they've changed some things, but I seriously doubt they're gonna redo all or even most of the 3D models and textures for both 2 and 3. They're probably just gonna change the small handful of 'em that are particular eyesores in HD.

And I think you guys are underestimating how much a simple resolution increase can improve the visuals. In a moment here, I'll update this post with pictures of Final Fantasy XII running in PCSX2 at native PS2 resolution then running at 1680x1050 so you can see just how much resolution can improve the look of 3D models from PS2-era games...

[Purramid_Head]

They are adding, rerecording, splicing, and taking away. (Extras, graphics, music, textures etc)They are not simply just updating the resolution. This was what we were trying to tell you. It is the reason the HD collection is taking longer to come out with.

[Yaywalter]

They are adding, rerecording, splicing, and taking away. (Extras, graphics, music, textures etc)They are not simply just updating the resolution. This was what we were trying to tell you. It is the reason the HD collection is taking longer to come out with.

And like I said, that may be so... but that alone shouldn't take nearly as long as making a brand new game. Throwing SH4 into the collection wouldn't be that hard or time-consuming.

[devil hunter]

Here, they're doing something like this, redoing stuff. It's not just higher resolution stuff.

[Purramid_Head]

They are adding, rerecording, splicing, and taking away. (Extras, graphics, music, textures etc)They are not simply just updating the resolution. This was what we were trying to tell you. It is the reason the HD collection is taking longer to come out with.

And like I said, that may be so... but that alone shouldn't take nearly as long as making a brand new game. Throwing SH4 into the collection wouldn't be that hard or time-consuming.

Again where is anyone saying its a brand new game? Where is anyone claiming this to be a remake? You're obviously seeing what you want to see in DH and my posts. Plus, you're missing both of our points in the process. There's is technical and logistical stuff they are doing to the games.

[Yaywalter]

Here, they're doing something like this, redoing stuff. It's not just higher resolution stuff.

Those last two pics didn't load for me, but regarding Shadow of the Colossus... but uh... yeah, that's just higher resolution.

The only difference in those shots besides the resolution is the color of the Colossi's eyes, but I believe that's part of the game...

They are adding, rerecording, splicing, and taking away. (Extras, graphics, music, textures etc)They are not simply just updating the resolution. This was what we were trying to tell you. It is the reason the HD collection is taking longer to come out with.

And like I said, that may be so... but that alone shouldn't take nearly as long as making a brand new game. Throwing SH4 into the collection wouldn't be that hard or time-consuming.

Again where is anyone saying its a brand new game? Where is anyone claiming this to be a remake? You're obviously seeing what you want to see in DH and my posts. Plus, you're missing both of our points in the process. There's is technical and logistical stuff they are doing to the games.

Maybe I should've worded that more clearly. I didn't mean to imply that anyone here is saying that the HD collection is a brand new game. I just meant that touching up existing games is nowhere near as time-intensive as making new games, thus your argument that SH4 wasn't included because it'd take too long is weak

[Purramid_Head]

It's not weak, in fact if they re-do 4 this would mean script revisions as well as rerecording which is a process and does take time. If they decided to include it now with everything they are doing atm with 2 and 3, it would take LONGER than just producing 2 and 3.

[Yaywalter]

It's not weak, in fact if they re-do 4 this would mean script revisions as well as rerecording which is a process and does take time. If they decided to include it now with everything they are doing atm with 2 and 3, it would take LONGER than just producing 2 and 3.

You're saying that they'd have to do these things, but really they don't. Re-recording audio, remodeling and retexturing things... these are all completely optional. All they have to do is take the already completed SH4 and just increase the resolution it renders at. Then BAM! We've got a fairly crisp-looking SH4 for the collection.

The only thing that could possibly make re-recording audio mandatory instead of optional is if they run into the same kinds of legal issues they did with 2 and 3.