Is Mary's Body in the back of James car?(Spoilers)

[OneFreeMan]

This is one theory that I have heard and developed an interested in the theory. I don't the exact detail so please correct me.
It's theory that James arrived to Silent Hill hours before killing Mary and putting her body in the trunk of his car.
Then I came across this.
http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Silent_Hill_2#In_other_media
As I was reading the connection with Silent Hill 2 and Silent Hill 4.
I actually Kind of Believed. But not totally.

[Foxhound3857]

The commonly accepted theory is that James receives the letter from Mary and drives to Silent Hill very shortly after having carried out the murder, maybe within two days.

If you go by the Rebirth/In Water endings and this sort of general timeframe between events, yeah, Mary being in the trunk of James car is very plausible. He wouldn't "be together" driving into the lake without having her with him, alive or dead, and he wouldn't be able to bring Mary back from the dead without her corpse present, and I highly doubt that so much time would pass between events that he would bring skeletal remains with him to Silent Hill after receiving the letter. So the events are very likely close together when you fit them into a time frame, and would make sense from a certain point of view.

But this is one of those things that isn't mentioned in the game and therefore has no solid evidence to consider, and thus there isn't any real reason why players would need to speculate something like this.

[Wren]

^There was a question in the BOLM that said "Can Mary's body be in the trunk?!" But I don't think they elaborated on it. There's a lot of ppl that think that, though.

[Foxhound3857]

^There was a question in the BOLM that said "Can Mary's body be in the trunk?!" But I don't think they elaborated on it. There's a lot of ppl that think that, though.

Yes, it very well can be, and it probably is. But the thing is, other then morbid curiosity, there's no reason why any player would need to know whether that is or isn't the case. It's not mentioned in the game and the player isn't given any reason to ponder it, and is therefore superficial.

We're all curious beasts and love to overanalyze and think critically about little things like this, but sadly, this is one of those things where even if you know the answer, it changes nothing.

[OneFreeMan]

One thing I have just remembered that make the theory possible is Mary's letter to Laura.

In the letter Mary's writes happy 8th birthday.
When James ask's Laura how old she is. She say's that she turned 8 the previous week.
So Mary couldn't of died three years previously.

But there is also the Theory that Laura herself is a manifestation, but I don't believe the theory.

[DBThanatos]

When James ask's Laura how old she is. She say's that she turned 8 the previous week.
So Mary couldn't of died three years previously.

That part I never thought of. Kinda makes sense to me. Bought

But there is also the Theory that Laura herself is a manifestation, but I don't believe the theory.

I dont believe any human character is a "manifestation" (with the only exception of Mary, but then again, you never actually interact with her as with any of the other humans around, so is kind of an exception). The only thing that could lead me to think otherwise is when James finds her in the hospital (before the boss fight), and tells her "I cant believe you dont have an scratch on you" (or something like that) and she says "why would I?". That could mean that either she does belong in silent hill as part of the manifestations of whatever (though it'd be a very "complex" one, compared to any other); or the one Im inclined to believe, that she's a regular human that is on silent hill, but her vision of SH, vs Angela's, Eddie's or Jame's, doesnt have anything dangerous on it, or at least not anything that could hurt her physcally.

Now, back on topic, while there's no reason to actually think she is in the trunk, and one is led to think that the black screen in the end is to avoid being too graphical, if I had to go nuts with a theory supporting the idea of her being in the trunk, I'd say that the the black screen represents mary's POV in it, hence why you can only hear, but not see. And then the blue-ness means the trunk opened while in the water, and that's all she could see (if she would've been alive). Yeah, not very coherent, but it's my $0.02.

[SHF]

My old theory was that James killed Mary at their home, and left her there in the bed.

But then I realized that James wanted to be with Mary in their special place ( silent hill, more specifically, the hotel)
Since this is true, he would of brought her along when he drove to silent hill. Her body would of been either in the trunk, or in the backseat. I'm sure James was smart enough to put her in the trunk, as to avoid detection. ( no one drives their car with a corpse visibly in the backseat).

When he arrives into silent hill, he enters the observation deck.
This is where he creates the delusion that he came into town because he recieved a "letter" from Mary, which is not true.

That's why the Mary is in his trunk theory makes sense.

[what]

I've always been curious as to why there is the idea that days may have passed between the killing and the events of the game.

Given the nature of what James is really doing, it would seem obvious that he takes off within mere hours of having done the deed. As SHF pointed out, he almost certainly came up with the whole thing in a moment, as his cover story is very simple, so it's not as if he had to sit around working out the details.

[sereda008]

His wife had been dead for three years (I think).
I doubt that those cops on motorcycles would fail to notice the smell.

[OneFreeMan]

His wife had been dead for three years (I think).
I doubt that those cops on motorcycles would fail to notice the smell.

That's what your lead to believe but in Mary's letter to laura, she wish her a happy 8th birthday.
When James asks laura how old she is, She says that she had turned 8 the week before.
So Mary must of within that week.

[sereda008]

Then you mean to say that I was... James was a psychotic killer...

WOW. I did not consider that before.

[hairymason]

( no one drives their car with a corpse visibly in the backseat).

Nonsense, I do it all the time.

Really though I don't think it matters, but logistically, why not. Arguementatively(if that's even a word), James talks to her as she's lying in a bed, so maybe he drove out of town and came back to get the corpse. Of course, that theory has more gaping holes in it than a brothel, so prolly not.

[what]

In all likelihood, her body is in the trunk.

Whether or not she is back there is not really important to determining any ending (more on that later), we do know that James originally came to town intending to end his life in a place of memories. Considering how In Water depicts his execution of this task, we can reasonably assume that's how he would have done it had not the whole Silent Hill 2 thing distracted him temporarily. It makes perfect sense to guess that if he's going to drive into a lake, he's going to bring Mary's corpse with him. It makes for that whole "together in life, together in death" concept. Why would he leave the body someplace else?

Now, all that said, it isn't strictly necessary that he did bring her corpse along, and even in the Rebirth ending, it's plain to see that he's still in the Otherworld when it's all taking place. Chances are, he did not retrieve Mary's real corpse, and given that the whole thing is almost certainly the work of a man whose experience in Silent Hill only led him to gain more levels in delusion, he may not know if it's not the real thing, or even care. If the body he takes is just another manifested object, we need no supernatural explanation for her revival. Given the state of mind it would take for a person to attempt something a sane man would never even consider, I think the Rebirth ending shows a man who has really taken a flying leap off the deep end, and the whole thing is almost certainly a product of his fevered imagination taken form for him. No real corpse is necessary for any of this to happen.

[HellFrozenJames]

But then I realized that James wanted to be with Mary in their special place ( silent hill, more specifically, the hotel)
Since this is true, he would of brought her along when he drove to silent hill. Her body would of been either in the trunk, or in the backseat. I'm sure James was smart enough to put her in the trunk, as to avoid detection. ( no one drives their car with a corpse visibly in the backseat).

When he arrives into silent hill, he enters the observation deck.
This is where he creates the delusion that he came into town because he recieved a "letter" from Mary, which is not true.

I don't know about this. That his delusions just up and manifested in an instant in that bathroom.
I mean, the sheer fact that aside from James, two other murderers (Eddie and Angela) were summoned to Silent Hill as well. So it's not likely that James is the only one who came there by pure chance. Meaning that delusion could've manifested itself... Well, pretty much as soon as he did kill Mary. Or at any point during that time frame.

Unless of course, we're sporting the theory that both James and Angela were figments of James' imagination, which is a vague possibility, but that's purely a matter of interpretation. Much like the fact that Mary is in James' trunk.

I mean, it's awesome to speculate stuff like this, and is one of the reasons I love Silent Hill 2. But I don't believe that James came to Silent Hill for the sole purpose of ending his life. I believe that his "letter from Mary" was what drove him to go to Silent Hill in the first place. In other words that that delusion and repression took place before he actually made the trip.

The biggest proof that she's in his trunk though, is the tease in the Lost Memories book. I wonder if this theory would've even been made by anyone if it wasn't for Lost Memories.

[what]

But I don't believe that James came to Silent Hill for the sole purpose of ending his life.

You may not like it, but that's what really happened.

And, I like it better that way. This way, once he creates the delusion, he has much less of a chance to back out and realize what's going on. He quickly finds out that there are weird things going on that make his fantasy seem more sane. Without so much around to justify strangeness, if he had some length of time to peacefully stop and think about the content of his story, the flaws in his logic would surface much more quickly and the delusion itself would probably not last.

Part of what makes it possible for his delusion to persist as long as it does is that it takes quite a while before any external source appears to challenge his notion of events. If he's sitting around the house, cooking up the crazy, it's much likelier that he'll stumble across contradictory evidence.

[Wren]

Wow^
So you're saying that you think In Water is the most appropriate ending, now?
*gasp*

[Foxhound3857]

I've always been curious as to why there is the idea that days may have passed between the killing and the events of the game.

Given the nature of what James is really doing, it would seem obvious that he takes off within mere hours of having done the deed. As SHF pointed out, he almost certainly came up with the whole thing in a moment, as his cover story is very simple, so it's not as if he had to sit around working out the details.

*shrug* I gave my best estimate, within two days. It could've been less than that and probably is. But nobody knows for sure because there is no concrete evidence to establish an exact time frame. We're only going on speculation, circumstantial evidence at best.

[what]

Wow^
So you're saying that you think In Water is the most appropriate ending, now?
*gasp*

How could you possibly derive such heresy from what I said?

*shrug* I gave my best estimate, within two days. It could've been less than that and probably is. But nobody knows for sure because there is no concrete evidence to establish an exact time frame. We're only going on speculation, circumstantial evidence at best.

I wasn't calling you out for it in particular. After all, it is a common belief that days may have passed. What I don't understand is why such thinking is common.

[Foxhound3857]

Maybe James hit traffic on the drive to Silent Hill from Ashfield.

[HellFrozenJames]

But I don't believe that James came to Silent Hill for the sole purpose of ending his life.

You may not like it, but that's what really happened.

Where did it say that?