terrawindx2 wrote:Maria- Born the same way as Lisa Garland, have their own souls?
I have done some little research on Maria on the internet, and I have yet to play the Born from a Wish Scenario as I do not have the Greatest Hits version of Silent Hill 2. But from what I can understand, Maria could very well be born in the exact same way as Lisa Garland, whereby both of them were born out of manifestations of certain desire.
Maria was born out of James's sexual deprivation from Mary in the town of Silent Hill. But in the "Born from a dream:" scenario, it appears that Maria, similar to Lisa, who was born out of Alessa's desire for companionship, has her own individuality, emotions and desires, as if she was a real person. In fact, Maria could be an artificial soul created by the town, the "god", or other supernatural factors to lure James into Silent Hill. Or, she could be actually be a part of James's soul which had turned into this manifestation, or actually be Mary's ghost which had been brought from the afterlife from James's strong emotions, hence she has Mary's memories and sickness.
The main thing here is that both Lisa and Maria have their own individuality, whereby they control their own fate and actions as if they were real people. In fact, they could be Real in a sense, that they have a soul of their own, or part of James's or Alessa's soul. After all, no life can exist without a Soul.
This is shown in the Born from a Wish scenario, whereby Maria was a complete individual. She is even recognized as a human even by Ernest's and Amy's ghosts, and even helps them in their requests. This means that she was not born when James met her the first time, but was born long prior to meeting James, and did many things beforehand. Hence, this reinforces her as a separate entity that can exist on its own; a separate "life force" that can interact with, and influence others, even ghosts. The same can also be said for Lisa Garland, who helped Harry Mason throughout parts of Silent Hill 1, and even kills Kauffman out of revenge.
Whether they were created or not, they are still individuals with their own actions and desires, and need not be controlled by their creators, although it is saddening that both of them turned demonic at the very end. But that does not mean it's the end for these special individuals. The question is what happens after that? They are still live beings, after all, but not the same live beings as a normal human would. They are never killed in the first place. Maria dies over and over again, but is never truly dead. Because Emotions cannot be "destroyed". They can only be "suppressed"; emotions or inner demons are always present in the hearts of man. Maria never really "died" even after being defeated; she turned into Mary's sick body (Which could be a manifestation of James's desire to apologise to Mary). I believe that Maria and Mary in the game were actually the same entity, a REAL existing physical entity, not mere emotion.
In Silent Hill 1, Lisa (She may have her own scenario, maybe in the Origins PS2 release!) realised that she was a created being, and shows her true nature as a monster, and the same goes for Maria, who shows her true self out of anger as the Final Boss. These artificial beings born from emotions are no different from the nightmare creatures as seen from their exterior. However, the are still attacked by other monsters in the game. I believe the reason for this is because they are special beings. They were born from "desires" while the monsters were born from "nightmares" and "hatred". Desire and nightmares cannot coexist, therefore they clash and try to consume each other, and that is also the basis for emotion, whereby only one kind of emotion can exist while the other lies dormant.
Even when Maria dies in Mary's deathbed, that does not mean it's really the end. As I said, emotions never die, but in this case I have to give the benefit of the doubt that she could have returned James's soul...or that Maria was Mary's ghost after all, and found peace, but leaves behind a physical body.
But take Lisa for example. She existed for a very long time, 18 years up till Silent Hill 3, and even still held her sadness from the past. She confessed to Heather at the Chapel of her sins. At that point she couldn't have been Alessa's manifestation, but a separate entity, or Lisa's REAL ghost. Or she could be the manifastation born from the "alessa" part of Heather. IF she can exist up to this point, what about Maria? That remains a subject of debate. Yes, I know Lisa was never killed, because her soul was never at ease unless she was forgiven by Heather. Or maybe that's how these entities are released from their existance on earth?
Also, as a side note, since they are both monsters and are not so different from the other monsters in Silent Hill, they can also commit Sin, whereby they kill other individuals other than the creator. After all, killing others who have nothing to do with their creator is a cardinal sin of murder without reason. In the Town of Silent Hill, the angel Valtiel exists to punish these sinners, regardless of whether they are created emotions or real people. This is shown in SH3, with Claudia being dragged down by Valtiel.
I believe that if emotions play a vital role in creating new life, we could expect Harry Mason to be revived as part of Heather's emotions....