rethinking the gods (spoilers)

[Lobsel Vith]

So, ever since the theory came out that Xuchilpaba is different from Xuchilbara, and Valtiel isn't Xuchilbara, I'm seriously starting to wonder if we're any closer to figuring out who the red and yellow gods are.

Here's what I mean.

It was once said, that the murals in the church of SH3 showed Valtiel, and Incubus surrounding a central woman. It was said that Valtiel=the Red God, the Woman = God, and Incubus = the Yellow God. Except now, Valtiel was never a god to begin with.

Then there was the theory that the three main sects worshiped the three different deities. The Holy Mother sect worshiped the Holy Mother (God), The Valtiel sect worshiped Valtiel (the red god), and the Holy Woman sect apparently worships Incubus (the Yellow God?)

Except, again, turns out Valtiel was never really a god to begin with.

So now, I'm thinking, with this revelation, how can we be so sure that the true form of Lobsel Vith is Incubus?

The most reasonable proof for this theory I've seen, is the memo in SHPN that says that if an evil entity makes contact with a saint it can create a new existence. However the memo never says, "evil god," or "malevolent deity" it just says "evil entity"

If the evil entity is in fact 'Incubus', then I speculate that he also belongs in the same camp as Valtiel. For one thing it's never said that 'Incubus' is a god. Actually, it's said that "Dahlia's vision of the god takes on the form of Incubus"

In demonology an incubus is a demon either associated with bringing nightmares to sleeping women, or having sexual intercourse with women while they sleep and draining them of their energy. In Silent Hill 1's case, the latter scenario is more likely.

While I'm not denying that Dahlia worshiped 'Incubus', I'm starting to think that 'Incubus' (as the entity who impregnated Alessa, not the entity who Harry kills) is in the same rank as Valtiel. That is, 'Incubus' would also be considered an angel.

If this is true then we're not any closer to figuring out the identity of the deities. I suppose I could still keep my belief that Alizer = the Yellow God, but even I'm having doubts about that.


On a slightly unrelated note: I've been checking SH1, SH3, Silent Hill Chronicles, and what's translated from the SH1 guide.

The only sources that ever mention that the woman in white is God, are Silent Hill Chronicles (which actually says, "The vision of God that Alessa had takes on the form of Incubator") and Dahlia when she goes "give up(...) this is a god..."

Just about everything else?

Heather: But in the end that god was killed by a single person.

Heather: After the god died, the girl reappeared.

Harry: After God had vanished in a glow of light, Alessa reappeared and
gave me a baby. She looked a lot like that girl, so long ago.
And then Alessa was gone, dead.

from the SHPN

Alessa's back splits open, and a giant creature the likes of which I have
never seen before tears through the cloth of the one piece dress Alessa is
wearing. It looks like an insect breaking out of its cocoon as it is being
born. It has large wings and a head like a bull, and with its green muscles
swelling it rose up and out of its mother's body, Alessa. And then it let
out an earthshakingly brutal evil cry, and looked down at us

(it's a bit ironic how in SH1 Dahlia says the line "Give up! That person no longer exists! This is a god(...) when Alessa is transformed into Incubator. , but in the Play Novel she says it when the 'Incubus' is born,)

I know that I'll be hit with either 'The Japanese version says this," or "Well, Harry's not a very reliable source, and didn't know what was going on,"

To the latter I want to say, if that's the case, then I suppose we can't trust any of the protaganists, and that negates a good portion of what's reliable in the game.

[Purramid_Head]

I defenately don't think the incubus is god for a number of reasons or a god.

The thing I keep in mind about the red and yellow god is that their creation is to lead people into obdience to God. I have never seen this of the incubus.

[Lobsel Vith]

You do have a point.

What's always bugged me about the whole "Incubus takes on the form of LV", "Lobsel Vith is the one that impregnates Alessa, and he looks like Incubus" is that it seems that's ALL he does.

At least with the idea of Valtiel being the red God, there was all that speculation that he as Xuchilbara would "lure" people into the town, get them to see something that needed to be dealt with, and eventually offer them salvation.

(Just had a thought. In the Rebirth ending of SH2, it seems that James was in fact led into obeying 'God')

I've yet to see that from 'Incubus', and no, impregnating little girls with God fetuses isn't actually leading a person to obey God.

[firecrest]

I'm starting to think that 'Incubus' (as the entity who impregnated Alessa, not the entity who Harry kills) is in the same rank as Valtiel. That is, 'Incubus' would also be considered an angel.

Interesting.

[Lobsel Vith]

Good interesting or bad interesting?

[Purramid_Head]

You do have a point.

What's always bugged me about the whole "Incubus takes on the form of LV", "Lobsel Vith is the one that impregnates Alessa, and he looks like Incubus" is that it seems that's ALL he does.

At least with the idea of Valtiel being the red God, there was all that speculation that he as Xuchilbara would "lure" people into the town, get them to see something that needed to be dealt with, and eventually offer them salvation.

Plus his existence was only to execute, so it'd fit more so.

(Just had a thought. In the Rebirth ending of SH2, it seems that James was in fact led into obeying 'God')

Thats the same gist I got awhile back, which is kind of strange if you ask me. We really don't see any direct connection with James and the Order.