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Post by Mercury on Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:16 am

Since I'm writing the Lisa story still, I re-read The Wonderful Wizard of Oz by Frank Baum. After reading it, I decided to connect Lisa's story to the "Keys of Eclipse." Here's the connections to the keys and Oz I found:

The first of the keys, the Lion key, is found in the trunk of a police car. The car has stopped to a holt at the edge of a caved-in road (which slants downward to the river), leaving behind a trail of tire skid marks. The car's windshield however, is broken in front of the driver's seat and has blood streaking away from it. Reader's of Oz may be familiar with this scene:

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz wrote:_____This was to be an eventful day for the travelers. They had hardly been walking an hour when they saw before them a great ditch that crossed the road and divided the forest as far as they could see on either side. It was a very wide ditch, and when they crept up to the edge and looked into it they could see it was also very deep, and there were many big, jagged rocks at the bottom. The sides were so steep that none of them could climb down, and for a moment it seemed that their journey must end.
_____"What shall we do?" asked Dorothy despairingly.
_____"I haven't the faintest idea," said the Tin Woodman; and the Lion shook his shaggy mane and looked thoughtful.
_____But the Scarecrow said: "We cannot fly, that is certain; neither can we climb down into this great ditch. Therefore, if we cannot jump over it, we must stop where we are."
_____"I think I could jump over it" said the Cowardly Lion, after measuring the distance carefully in his mind.
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_____The Scarecrow sat upon the Lion's back, and the big beast walked to the edge of the gulf and crouched down.
_____"Why don't you run and jump?" asked the Scarecrow.
_____"Because that isn't the way we Lions do these things," he replied. Then giving a great spring, he shot through the air and landed safely on the other side. They were all greatly pleased to see how easily he did it, and after the Scarecrow had got down from his back the Lion sprang across the ditch again.


Assuming this, one could say the driver crashed into the edge of the ditch (after skidding) and "sprang" out of the windshield onto the other side. Or the car skidded to a stop after something jumped through the windshield. The idea of the cop car can also resemble the idea of "standing-up" to authority (Courage + Cop).

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Next is the Woodman key, accessed through an "Off Limits" gateway behind Cafe 5-to-2. We see a basketball hoop splattered in blood with a dog's head beneath it on the ground: a trail of blood extends to the key. This part is obvious for Oz readers:

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz wrote:_____So the Woodman raised his axe, and as the wildcat ran by he gave it a quick blow that cut the beast's head clean off from its body, and it rolled over at his feet in two pieces.


This, of course, isn't the only time the Tin Woodman beheads another. He kills 40 wolves this way later in the story, leaving behind a monstrous pile of bodies. The reason the dog was killed must resemble the Woodman's motive of protecting innocents. But the question of the key is: where did the dog's body go? And why was it's head used as a basketball?

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The final key, the Scarecrow key, lies dormant in a bloody mailbox. The only way to access it is to cross a set of wooden planks, over a rocky ditch. This applies to the second ditch the party encounters in Oz:

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz wrote:_____The Lion was about to reply when suddenly they came to another gulf across the road; but this one was so broad and deep that the Lion knew at once he could not leap across it.
_____So they sat down to consider what they should do, and after serious thought the Scarecrow said:
_____"Here is a great tree, standing close to the ditch. If the Tin Woodman can chop it down, so that it will fall to the other side, we can walk across it easily."


Also:

Scarecrow Key Description wrote:"The key to the garden of the house. Found in mailbox blocked by a fallen tree."


The ditch has the same meaning in both the game and book: continuing the journey, the hope. But the mailbox puzzles me. It's shaped almost like a house or barn and has blood "pouring" out of it. Maybe representing the Scarecrow's creation or Dorothy's grey Kansas?

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Other things to note are the health drinks found with the Scarecrow and Woodman keys (used to sustain life) and the handgun ammo found with the Lion key (used to take life). Also, the locks on the door are in the opposite order of the character's introductions in the book.

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P.S. I took the pictures using my digital camera on my TV, so I know they look choppy. But they illustrate my point nonetheless.
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Post by NightFlutter on Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:47 pm

What does the story of the Wizard of Oz have to do with Silent Hill anyway? I never understood why they chose to reference that in there.

Oh...and when you asked where the dog's body was...isn't there a headless dog body on the way to the alley you get killed in at the beginning of the game?
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Post by Lobsel Vith on Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:54 pm

Dahlia read to Alessa, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of those books was 'The Wizard of Oz'

We never see a TV inside of the Gillespie, which makes me somewhat doubt that Alessa saw the movie.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Mercury on Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:11 pm

NightFlutter wrote:Oh...and when you asked where the dog's body was...isn't there a headless dog body on the way to the alley you get killed in at the beginning of the game?
I never looked at the corpse through a first-person perspective, but it could very well be the body. I might have to check later today.

Lobsel Vith wrote:We never see a TV inside of the Gillespie, which makes me somewhat doubt that Alessa saw the movie.
There always could have been a production at the theater, as the play came about before the movie, but it's unknown as to whether it was or not. But it is assumed that Alessa read the book.
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Post by Devoured on Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:58 pm

How is the Wizard Of Oz not connected to Silent Hill? It's a bout a little girl who creates another world in her mind...same with Alice In Wonderland.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Mercury on Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:08 am

Not necessarily. In both Oz and Wonderland, the worlds exist. It's more along the lines of being "trapped" in the dreamworld.
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Post by 21121 on Tue May 06, 2008 8:55 pm

Great find. I love seeing things like this.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Purramid_Head on Tue May 06, 2008 9:07 pm

Wonderland wasn't created in Alice's mind to my knowledge. Its about a girl who gets lost in a backwards other world.

But Alessa's otherworld is also not created by herself, her delusions are being manifestated by the incubus for example.
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Post by Lobsel Vith on Tue May 06, 2008 9:23 pm

But Alessa's otherworld is also not created by herself, her delusions are being manifestated by the incubus for example.


Did you and I even play the same game?
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Purramid_Head on Tue May 06, 2008 9:40 pm

Lobsel Vith wrote:
But Alessa's otherworld is also not created by herself, her delusions are being manifestated by the incubus for example.


Did you and I even play the same game?


I don't agree that the otherworld is soley Alessa's doing. Furthered by the fact that the incubus is giving her nightmares, and feeding off of them. So the manifestation of delusion is not a sole thing of Alessa. I don't think it is for the other characters either, like James.
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Post by Lobsel Vith on Wed May 07, 2008 12:48 am

I don't think it was solely created by Alessa either, but her nightmare world was created herself. The only thing God, did was feed off of them.

[spoiler]SH0 proved that Alessa is quite capable of not only manipulating environments based on people's minds (see Travis) but that she can change reality into a nightmare.[/spoiler]
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by firecrest on Wed May 07, 2008 1:26 am

Xuchilbara wrote:Wonderland wasn't created in Alice's mind to my knowledge. Its about a girl who gets lost in a backwards other world.

No, that part is intentionally left ambiguous, if I remember correctly.

Alice happens on the Red King who is sleeping. The question is asked if the Red King is dreaming of Alice, or if Alice is dreaming of the Red King, and what would happen if either of them woke up.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Lobsel Vith on Wed May 07, 2008 2:47 am

I have a copy of the book. Maybe if I read it, (since I haven't 'read' it since I was young) I'll find out what was said

But, that part does sound familiar.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Purramid_Head on Wed May 07, 2008 10:19 am

Yeah I have the book, too. But never read it. I'll check it once I am home.

Lobsel Vith wrote:I don't think it was solely created by Alessa either, but her nightmare world was created herself. The only thing God, did was feed off of them.

[spoiler]SH0 proved that Alessa is quite capable of not only manipulating environments based on people's minds (see Travis) but that she can change reality into a nightmare.[/spoiler]


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Post by Lobsel Vith on Wed May 07, 2008 2:57 pm

Yes, actually I do. God's just feeding off the nightmare.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by ERROR on Fri May 09, 2008 10:14 pm

Regarding whether or not Alessa had read The Wizard Of Oz:

Silent Hill Chronicle wrote:Creator's Commentary: The otherworld in the first game is a world manifested from the depths of Alessa's consciousness. The reason why many items and solutions to riddles that originate from works like Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz appear is that these are Alessa's favorite books from her childhood. In other words, they indicate that the otherworld itself is produced by Alessa. Similarly, an illustration from The Lost World, which is one of her favorite books, is used as a motif for one of the creatures that appears in the first game. Also, Alice and Oz are both stories about young girls who lose their ways in an "otherworld." Such content also suggests Cheryl and the protagonist, who have lost their ways in the otherworld.

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