Your predictions for Silent Hill: Revelation

[Purramid_Head]

So, far I've got a working theory.

REVEAL SPOILER

With Rose and Sharon in the otherworld at the end, perhaps Sean Bean's character found a baby after that stint with the church.

[JKristine35]

The director has stated that Revelation is a continuation of Sharon's story from the first movie, so there's no new incarnation. Heather is the same girl Rose took home with her at the end of the first movie all grown up.

[Purramid_Head]

That doesn't fit with how the movie ended though, unless he is meant to kill of Rose and make something up.

[JKristine35]

Just because Sharon/Alessa was in the fog world at the end of the first movie, does not mean she has to stay there. Alessa has the power to leave the alternate reality at any time she wishes (such as when she wanted to deliver Sharon to the orphanage, or when she crashed Rose's car), so it makes perfect sense that the incarnation of her from the end of the first movie could easily return to the real world. As to why she would do that (or why she would repress her memory of life as Alessa), that will be answered when the movie comes out.

[Purramid_Head]

I just don't see a point in emphasizing the stuck in the otherworld and then in the sequel be like "oh yeah, they made it out somehow, everything's normal."

[JKristine35]

But they weren't "stuck". The movie already showed that Alessa could leave that world at will, so we know she was intentionally staying there. The ending emphasizes the selfish and fearful nature of Sharon/Alessa in forcing the woman who did everything for her to remain in an alternate reality. Who's to say something didn't happen to make Sharon/Alessa think otherwise? If it's a large personal trauma (such as Rose becoming sick or dying), then it would make perfect sense that Sharon/Alessa would be so affected by it that she changed her mind on where she wanted to be.

[DarkVoid]

Not THEY made it, Sharon did. I'm positive: Rose is dead (may be killed by cult members - that's why our heroes have to run). Otherwise things will be too complicated. Her appearance in film - oppressed memories/flashbacks. And I think Chris will die in the end too. Either Douglas or Vincent will escape with Heather. In game Douglas was close to Heather, but here his position is already occupied. Don't think he will play a major role. At least he can go to Sh too to find out what is going on. Doubt Vincent is connected to cult - we see him bound and it will be strange to send 2 men to do the same job (find Sharon). But he looks suspicious to me.

People, if you have nothing to say - don't irritate others by posting things like "that will be answered when the movie comes out".

P.S. If Alessa/sharon can so easily pass from one world to another, then why she didn't? There may be 2 answers: i) she wished to stay there - in calm and safe place she can control with her mind; ii) her mother - Rose - couldn't, so she extended her world and Rose could think she really returned.

[Rencall]

I just made a thread trying to figure out the Sharon / Heather thing among other oddities, but here's my thoughts:

- The true 'Silent Hillish' way to go is that Heather in the film is not 'quite' Sharon, but perhaps a mysterious girl that Harry / Christopher adopted who has taken the place of her. The demon likes to split itself into multiple versions of itself, just like in the game. Given that she's not the original Sharon but a doppelganger, he would give her a new name, but still think of her as Sharon. This is similar to the game, as Harry finds 'Heather' as an infant at the end of Silent Hill 1.

- What I'm hoping is that Basset thought about plot inconsistencies like this and addresses them, or else the film could be really convoluted and end up with a 5% on Rotten Tomatoes or something, which I'm hoping doesn't happen.

[Purramid_Head]

Not THEY made it, Sharon did. I'm positive: Rose is dead (may be killed by cult members - that's why our heroes have to run). Otherwise things will be too complicated. Her appearance in film - oppressed memories/flashbacks. And I think Chris will die in the end too. Either Douglas or Vincent will escape with Heather. In game Douglas was close to Heather, but here his position is already occupied. Don't think he will play a major role. At least he can go to Sh too to find out what is going on. Doubt Vincent is connected to cult - we see him bound and it will be strange to send 2 men to do the same job (find Sharon). But he looks suspicious to me.

People, if you have nothing to say - don't irritate others by posting things like "that will be answered when the movie comes out".

P.S. If Alessa/sharon can so easily pass from one world to another, then why she didn't? There may be 2 answers: i) she wished to stay there - in calm and safe place she can control with her mind; ii) her mother - Rose - couldn't, so she extended her world and Rose could think she really returned.

That's plausiable that at least half of Sharon was able to split with the demon irl, and the other with Rose in the otherworld.

[JKristine35]

@ Dark Void: Sharon/Alessa is staying in the fog world because she wants to, not because Rose can't leave. That's why she has that evil leer on her face as she walks through the Da Silva house. Also, are you really going to bitch at me about saying one point won't be known until the movie comes out,especially after I had explained other things the OP didn't understand? It's not like I wrote "You'll have to see the movie" and nothing else, so chill out.

@ Rrencall: As I already pointed out, the writer/director has debunked the theory that Heather is anything but the little girl in the first movie. He specifically said it's a continuation of her story, not a new story for a new character. He's been quite clear that they are the same person. Also, unless you're speaking figuratively, there is no demon in the movie.

[Purramid_Head]

Rrencall is saying it's like when Cheryl and Alessa split. They are the SAME person. There was a demon in the movie, that was clearly explained about why what occurred happened.

[JKristine35]

No, there is no demon in the movie. The evil little girl is the manifestation of the dark side of Alessa's soul, not a separate entity. She was created by Alessa's own powers, and Alessa herself is certainly not a demon of any kind.

[Purramid_Head]

Sorry, that sounds ridiculously like a copy of Carrie. The unknown father, the psychic powers, going on a rampage, everything. The 'demon' her 'dark side' could be left with Rose and the other side with Chris.

It also sounds like they ripped the writing from a fan theory on the internet.

[JKristine35]

There is no evidence whatsoever that a new baby was formed, and if it was so, then why has the director stated that the movie takes place 6 years later, not 18? (Beyond the fact that he apparently can't even do simple addition or missed where Chris said Sharon was 9 in the first movie). It's a simple fact: there is no new incarnation. The little girl Rose went home with is the complete version of Alessa, and she is the same little girl who becomes teenaged Heather. You can say Alessa is a Carrie copy, because that's what Gans wanted. A little girl with psionic powers whose dark side kills a bunch of people.

[rollerfan222]

Im 99% sure Vincent will be an undercover for the cult.

[DarkVoid]

@Kristi: I'm not bitching on you. It's just strange when someone starts discussing and then abrupts: I don't know, see the movie. Also you were right about 6 year - i was focusing on action images too much that ignored textual advertisements and such.
@PHead: interesting idea about half of Sharon staying in sh and other one - living with her father.
I don't think Chris took another girl to replace Sharon. If so, why would the cult look for her?
I've just understood another thing: Alessa was and stayed a complete person in 1st movie. There was no any split. 'Dark part' - manifestation of her anger towards citizens. Sharon - her biological daughter and also an incubator of her good side (say, emotions, thoughts). After getting 'satisfied' original Alessa may finally rest in peace, but that dark manifestation continue to torture everyone who appears in sh. That's why they need Heather - only she can stop the demon. That dark and good parts were merged in the end of 1 film and later split again by Chris using the seal of Metatron, repelling demon away and taking good part - Sharon - home. That's why demon went angry. That's why Chris keeps the seal in their apartment - in case he will need to use it again (in the game it was aglaphotis). What do you people think about this theory?

[JKristine35]

Alessa was indeed split into multiple beings in the first film - the director even specifically uses the word "split" when he talks about her in interviews. The first film had 3 versions of Alessa:
The original body - (Alessa, the woman in the hospital bed)
The dark side of the soul - (Dark Alessa, the evil little girl)
The good side of the soul - (Sharon, daughter of the protagonist)
Contrary to popular belief, Dark Alessa is not a demon and Sharon is not Alessa's daughter. In fact, it would be physically impossible for Alessa to carry a child to term after the burning (plus, there was no one around to impregnate her), and it's also impossible for a child to be identical to their parent. Thus, Sharon, Alessa, and Dark Alessa are exactly what Gans says they are: "multiple incarnations of a same character". At the end of the movie, they definitely merge into one body, which is why this new child shows aspects of a dark side (trapping Rose in her world, leering evilly at the camera), aspects of a good side (looking lovingly up at her new mother and holding her hand), memories of Sharon's life (extending the road to the Da Silva house), memories of Alessa's life (recognizing Dahlia on the church steps and smirking at her), and possession of Alessa's powers (starting the car with her mind). There's no reason why Alessa would create another body and transport it to the real world, nor is there any evidence of this occurring. It's much less convulated for Sharon/Alessa to have suffered an emotional trauma that made her leave the alternate reality and repress her memory than to undo the ending of the first movie in favor of one that doesn't make much sense. For instance, why would the dark side of the soul want a new mother? Why would she act lovingly towards her and spare her life? The dark side is supposed to be pure evil and rage, yet the little girl Rose takes home clearly loves her. That wouldn't be possible unless the good side of the soul was in there too.
The theory that Heather needs to stop a rampaging Dark Alessa because she's hurting people contradicts Bassett's statement that Claudia is the primary antagonist of the film. It's much more likely that Claudia is lying to Heather about what the seal does, and about the nature of Dark Alessa (she can be heard calling her a demon). Once Heather meets with Dark Alessa on the carousel, she realizes Dark Alessa is just her dark side, which causes the little girl to morph into Memory of Alessa (as seen in set photos). Heather then realizes the Order wanted Dark Alessa gone for sinister purposes, setting up a climax between herself and Claudia and putting the plot perfectly in-line with the director's quotes.
About the theory of the seal having forced Alessa's soul to split again after the first movie: certainly, it's very possible that the seal was used to do just that. It's also possible that Alessa became traumatized by something and intentionally split herself again. But given the change in Dark Alessa's movie appearance, I'd say it's much more probable that the little girl Heather sees is an imprint of Alessa's rage left on the town a la Memory of Alessa.

[rollerfan222]

Alessa was indeed split into multiple beings in the first film - the director even specifically uses the word "split" when he talks about her in interviews. The first film had 3 versions of Alessa:
The original body - (Alessa, the woman in the hospital bed)
The dark side of the soul - (Dark Alessa, the evil little girl)
The good side of the soul - (Sharon, daughter of the protagonist)
Contrary to popular belief, Dark Alessa is not a demon and Sharon is not Alessa's daughter. In fact, it would be physically impossible for Alessa to carry a child to term after the burning (plus, there was no one around to impregnate her), and it's also impossible for a child to be identical to their parent. Thus, Sharon, Alessa, and Dark Alessa are exactly what Gans says they are: "multiple incarnations of a same character". At the end of the movie, they definitely merge into one body, which is why this new child shows aspects of a dark side (trapping Rose in her world, leering evilly at the camera), aspects of a good side (looking lovingly up at her new mother and holding her hand), memories of Sharon's life (extending the road to the Da Silva house), memories of Alessa's life (recognizing Dahlia on the church steps and smirking at her), and possession of Alessa's powers (starting the car with her mind). There's no reason why Alessa would create another body and transport it to the real world, nor is there any evidence of this occurring. It's much less convulated for Sharon/Alessa to have suffered an emotional trauma that made her leave the alternate reality and repress her memory than to undo the ending of the first movie in favor of one that doesn't make much sense. For instance, why would the dark side of the soul want a new mother? Why would she act lovingly towards her and spare her life? The dark side is supposed to be pure evil and rage, yet the little girl Rose takes home clearly loves her. That wouldn't be possible unless the good side of the soul was in there too.
The theory that Heather needs to stop a rampaging Dark Alessa because she's hurting people contradicts Bassett's statement that Claudia is the primary antagonist of the film. It's much more likely that Claudia is lying to Heather about what the seal does, and about the nature of Dark Alessa (she can be heard calling her a demon). Once Heather meets with Dark Alessa on the carousel, she realizes Dark Alessa is just her dark side, which causes the little girl to morph into Memory of Alessa (as seen in set photos). Heather then realizes the Order wanted Dark Alessa gone for sinister purposes, setting up a climax between herself and Claudia and putting the plot perfectly in-line with the director's quotes.
About the theory of the seal having forced Alessa's soul to split again after the first movie: certainly, it's very possible that the seal was used to do just that. It's also possible that Alessa became traumatized by something and intentionally split herself again. But given the change in Dark Alessa's movie appearance, I'd say it's much more probable that the little girl Heather sees is an imprint of Alessa's rage left on the town a la Memory of Alessa.

Thank you for that, cleared alot of stuff up !

[Purramid_Head]

There is no evidence whatsoever that a new baby was formed, and if it was so, then why has the director stated that the movie takes place 6 years later, not 18? (Beyond the fact that he apparently can't even do simple addition or missed where Chris said Sharon was 9 in the first movie). It's a simple fact: there is no new incarnation. The little girl Rose went home with is the complete version of Alessa, and she is the same little girl who becomes teenaged Heather. You can say Alessa is a Carrie copy, because that's what Gans wanted. A little girl with psionic powers whose dark side kills a bunch of people.

No one is saying it's a baby.

[JKristine35]

No one is saying it's a baby.

O rly?

With Rose and Sharon in the otherworld at the end, perhaps Sean Bean's character found a baby after that stint with the church.