Mister Gas Mask Rain Coat Hammer Guy?

[devil hunter]

I doubt that will happen, he'll be a PH clone or something if he opens up new areas or if he's a guide.

[Augophthalmoses]

I doubt that will happen, he'll be a PH clone or something if he opens up new areas or if he's a guide.

He's just being sarcastic. And PH really wasn't so much of a guide so much as he was a blatant punisher.

[devil hunter]

He did "help" James two times though. After the first battle with him the water disappears and when he throws James of the hospital roof so James is able to continue forward.

[captain crowbar]

I was actually being serious, Aego. Why you think everything I say isn't what I mean is just plain wierd.

1. I was remembering how PH knocks James off the roof and into an area he needed to reach. Maybe ol' Gassy will do that some.

2. And a SH construct legitimately helping a protagonist has never truly been done, and would be interesting to experience.

[Augophthalmoses]

Because goofy TP inspired hyperbolic behavior seems to be one of your main posting gimmicks.

He did "help" James two times though. After the first battle with him the water disappears and when he throws James of the hospital roof so James is able to continue forward.

I can see where you're coming from but I don't a matter of convenience as a case of PH helping James or being a guide of sorts.

[captain crowbar]

which is why it would be more interesting if Gassy actually WAS helping, and not just doing so by accident.

Holy freaking Hell.

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Gasmask guy is totally Wesker.

[devil hunter]

Maybe, but still Maria is more of an antagonist than PH is.

It's shown that Gas mask guy is choking or maybe holding a kid and going Shhh before he does that. Plus he throws Murphy then attacks him with a hammer. If he will help him then that would mean that he's kind of the same as PH, a punisher.

Maybe the nun and gas mask guy are like Howard, they're just there. Maybe they're not a product of Murphy's mind.

[captain crowbar]

Because goofy TP inspired hyperbolic behavior seems to be one of your main posting gimmicks..

You need to seriously get over them. I'm not Rosseter, Fungo, or Derfush..Derfuz.. That other guy.

I'm Captain Crowbar, or M1STA WU1FY. If you want to debate my opinion, feel free. Don't debate THEIR opinions with me. It's silly.

But anyway, in response to Devil:

I think he's going to feel like a PH reference regardless, because all devs think that that's what fans want (Butcher, Bogeyman). They'll tweak him, no doubt, but theres no way they aren't thinking about PH when they make a character like that. I mean, PH is what most people think of when you start talking about Silent Hill, so as a marketing strategy, they put a character like that in for people to get excited about.

But I think he'll be different ENOUGH, if only in appearance and because the story will probably reflect it.

[Augophthalmoses]

Maybe, but still Maria is more of an antagonist than PH is.

It's shown that Gas mask guy is choking or maybe holding a kid and going Shhh before he does that. Plus he throws Murphy then attacks him with a hammer. If he will help him then that would mean that he's kind of the same as PH, a punisher.

Maybe the nun and gas mask guy are like Howard, they're just there. Maybe they're not a product of Murphy's mind.

Perhaps. Ernest was simply a ghost conjured up by the town unless one wants to get into a debate about him being a manifestation of Maria's psyche or something.

And Bogeyman was intended to be PH himself so his appearance in Homecoming isn't really so much of a reference to his character as it is reusing him.

PH isn't the only strong, stalker type monster character in existence so it's too soon to be thinking PH clone. Just because one of these characters shows up in Downpour doesn't mean the developers were necessarily drawing more inspiration from Pyramid Head.

People act as if PH himself set in motion the stalker monster archtype and that any other creature fulfilling this role HAS to be borrowing from PH somehow.

We already have some people who think he's a Clock Tower 3 ripoff.

[captain crowbar]

We already have some people who think he's a Clock Tower 3 ripoff.

I can't help it. He looks so damn much like the Corroder to me.

[devil hunter]

So what? There's a lot of look a likes. One monster in Downpour looks like something Clive Barker would make. Gas mask dude could also look like the killer from My Bloody Valentine. Some ghosts in Fatal Frame games look like the ones from The Grudge and The Ring. Scissor man on the cover of the PSX game looks like Cropsy from The Burning.

Hell, this guy from Modern Warfare



looks like the guy from Behind Enemy Lines



Just because someone or something wears similar clothes, has similar hairstyle etc. doesn't mean that it's a ripoff of someone or something else.

[Augophthalmoses]

Not to mention the disfigured Scissorman was obviously borrowed from

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the disfigured, murdering kid in Phenomena which is where Clock Tower borrowed a lot of its premise from.

Masked killers and stalker characters have already been in existence long before SH2 and Silent Hill itself is known for borrowing inspiration from multiple horror sources. PH is merely an evolution on the already established convention of the "masked, stalker killer". His role never was original in the first place. Sure, the first of his type in Silent Hill, but still nothing outrageously new. The only thing unique about him is his "mask" design.

You need to seriously get over them. I'm not Rosseter, Fungo, or Derfush..Derfuz.. That other guy.

I'm Captain Crowbar, or M1STA WU1FY. If you want to debate my opinion, feel free. Don't debate THEIR opinions with me. It's silly.

You're still missing the point, I bring them up for comparison reasons to further explain the specifics of your behavior not to start a discussion on them.

[Deadalux]

Ok, I was already saying that MC Hammer was going to be a guide. I was already talking about this sort of thing. Honestly, I don't think this would be a bad way to go.

[Augophthalmoses]

Which would beg the question of how he would fit the guide role. From what we've seen of him (strangling Murphy, apparently being the figure torturing some little kid, wielding his hammer) he seems to fit the role of being your usual pursuer figure.

So with the red void in the game we possibly have two stalker figures.

[devil hunter]

Actually I think that the figure that the thing that strangles Murphy in the E3 trailer is one of those Clive Barker monsters.

But yeah, he doesn't seem like someone who would help Murphy, neither does the nun. But PH wasn't really helping James, he was punishing him, but that was actually a good thing because it helped James figure out some things etc.

[captain crowbar]

Complain all you want about how developers copy other media. I'm going to call MC Hamma a Corroder wannabe. It's not like I'm the only person who's ever drawn the comparison. Someone much earlier in the thread said the same thing and nobody jumped down his throat.

[devil hunter]

I'm just saying that it's nothing new to see something similar in a game or other stuff, so it's not a ripoff or something.

[Augophthalmoses]

Complain all you want about how developers copy other media.

I'm going to call MC Hamma a Corroder wannabe. It's not like I'm the only person who's ever drawn the comparison. Someone much earlier in the thread said the same thing and nobody jumped down his throat.

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That easily puts your little victim complex to rest. You're not the only person who has been addressed about this as sufficient reading comprehension demonstrates. You're not being singled out contrary to what your tin foil laden head keeps thinking. You're merely the main person who is talking about the opposing side of this discussion so as a result you're inevitably going to get responses.

Get over it. Silent Hill is created out of inspiration, rip offs, and homages to dozens upon dozens of works of horror and more outside of that genre.

But hey if I wanted to I could call PH a Scissorman wannabe since he has an an odd face/mask, wields an unconventional weapon, is invincible throughout the majority of the game, and stalks the player character at several points in the game.

[captain crowbar]

viewtopic.php?f=3304&t=432717&start=70

That easily puts your little victim complex to rest. You're not the only person who has been addressed about this as sufficient reading comprehension demonstrates. You're not being singled out contrary to what your tin foiled laden head keeps thinking. You're merely the main person who is talking about the opposing side of this discussion so as a result you're inevitably going to get responses.

Get over it. Silent Hill is created out of inspirations, rip offs, and homages to dozens upon dozens of works of horror and more outside of that genre.

But hey if I wanted to I could call PH a Scissorman wannabe since he has an an odd face/mask, wields an unconventional weapon, is invincible throughout the majority of the game, and stalks the player character at several points in the game.

1. I don't understand the link. Maybe it's to the wrong page?
2. You take this all too personally and seem to feel as though you're the noble guardian of the developers or something. It's not cute.
3. I know that. I agreed with you on that. And they copied Corroder just like all the other stuff. Fancy that. Thanks for finally agreeing with me.
4. But he doesn't have scissors or look anything like scissorman... Call PH a Nemesis wannabe instead.

I'm just saying that it's nothing new to see something similar in a game or other stuff, so it's not a ripoff or something.

k. I think he looks like it, though. I'm just going to go ahead and say that if that's fine with you guys.

[Augophthalmoses]

The only person taking it personally is you since going by your previous post you were whining about how you were being allegedly singled out despite the fact (as my link pointed out if you actually, you know, read it) that somebody else with your point of view was having the same discussion and he didn't act irrational about it or display this whole "why me?!" mindset that you have right now.

So we've established that if one person is currently the only person debating one side of a discussion against two people on another side they are apparently being "singled out". Noted for future reference.

You obviously like taking part in debates but for some reason you can't seem to handle opposing viewpoints without resorting to garden variety fussing and relying on tired strawman attempts whenever a valid point is brought up against you. I know. It's tragic.

But he doesn't have scissors or look anything like scissorman... Call PH a Nemesis wannabe instead.

I know you're not that stupid to miss the point. A big pair of scissors and a giant, movement slowing knife are a bit out there as far as weapons go which is why they're labeled unconventional.