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Post by Naroon on Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:57 am

I recall this being generally proved at some point in the fandom, but it's been ages since I've really ran thru any of the games, and my memory has thus waned on it all. So can anyone list the evidence that supports the Otherworld's existence prior to the Alessa ritual?
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Post by Otherworld on Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:30 am

I guess this page from the BoLM is a good start.

HISTORY OF SILENT HILL
A town that possesses a mysterious power, Silent Hill.
Using facts introduced in the games as a foundation, let's delve into the history of this town.

Year
In American history
Relevance to Silent Hill
Before 16th c. Native Americans conduct rituals here. This land is valued as a sacred place in Native American religion (see: folklore)
Around 1607 England begins colonizing North America
Late 1600s Settlers begin to come to Silent Hill
1692 Salem Witch Trials in Massachusetts
Early 1700s A mysterious epidemic breaks out, and the town is abandoned
1776 U.S. declaration of independence
1789 First presidential inauguration of George Washington
Around 1810 Civil war breaks out The town is resettled as a penal colony.
Silent Hill Prison is constructed (see: prison)
Brookhaven Hospital is constructed in response to the outbreak of an epidemic (see: epidemic)
1820 Maine becomes a state Allen Smith paints "waterfront landscape"
1830 Beginning of forced removal policy for Native Americans
Around 1840 Silent Hill Prison closes
Around 1850 A coal field is discovered and Wiltse coal mine opens, which leads to the revitalization of the town
1861 Outbreak of the American Civil War A man called Chester and his son both participate in the
war (see: the Civil War)
1862 Toluca prison camp is constructed for POWs
1865 Culmination of the Civil War
1866 The prison camp is converted into Toluca Prison
Around 1890 End of Native Americans' organized resistance At this time people everywhere in the town mysteriously disappear one after the other
Early 1900s Toluca Prison closes and Silent Hill becomes a sight-seeing area
Nov. 1918 A sightseeing ship called the Little Baroness goes missing
1939 Strange events take place at Toluca Lake (see: Toluca Lake)
19XX The mayor of Silent Hill dies suddenly, and one after the other the staff at a development group die accidental deaths


folklore
Sacred ground where Native Americans conducted mysterious rituals

Before settlers came from Europe, Silent Hill was a holy place. Even then, the land seemed to possess a mysterious power.

They revered the town as "The Place of the Silent Spirits." However, they were driven away by settlers and had to abandon the town.
prison

After the spread of an epidemic, resettling of the town as a penal colony begins
Many people lost their lives on this abominable soil. Consequently, the town was used at first as a penal colony. It was at this time that it was given the name "Silent Hill."

After the closing of the prison, the Historical Society was built on its former site. It conveys a sense of the town's history.
epidemic

Once more, the threat of a plague steadily wraps the town in darkness
The town was stricken by an epidemic. It may be that because of the unforeseen deaths of the town's population, as well as the thoughts and feelings of the prisoners, the original power that the town held was gradually distorted.


The current incarnation of Brookhaven Hospital has existed since it became large-scale in the late 1800s.
the Civil War

The town is drawn into the Civil War that divided the nation in two
The Civil War occurred in 1861. The stone statue by the lake is a memorial to Patrick Chester, a soldier who fought in the war at this time.

Although the conflict was originally born from political opposition, it was distorted by future generations into an issue concerning the birth of the religious cult.
Toluca lake

After becoming a sightseeing area, a series of misfortunes befall the town
With the closing of Wiltse coal mine came the attempted reinvention of the town as a tourist attraction. However, due to a succession of boating accidents the town gained a poor reputation as a sightseeing area.

The famous Toluca Lake is a place that overflows with atmosphere. It is known as an ominous lake that has become completely shrouded in a pervasive mist.


Add the fact that Helen Grady was able to travel to and from the Otherworld way before what happened to Alessa suggest as much as well?
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Post by Hell Descended on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:15 am

The God and the Otherworld have existed long before Alessa, and it's been interacting with the human world long before Alessa in varying ways. The events of Origins and Silent Hill 1 are how Alessa comes to be the dominant will controlling that Otherworld and how Silent Hill became a town that draws people in.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Hell Descended wrote:The God and the Otherworld have existed long before Alessa, and it's been interacting with the human world long before Alessa in varying ways. The events of Origins and Silent Hill 1 are how Alessa comes to be the dominant will controlling that Otherworld and how Silent Hill became a town that draws people in.


Factors in the past have contributed to the way the otherworld's power has been distored.

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Originally Silent Hill was a holy place to the area's former inhabitants. It would seem that although the power of the town was not evil in nature, due to a number of factors including the spread of an epidemic and executions at the prison, the power that this place held was greatly distorted. Furthermore, due to the large-scale shift to the otherworld that occurred in the first game, the town has become a great catalyst for the manifestation of peoples' unconscious minds. It appears to have become a place that beckons to those who hold darkness in their hearts.
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Post by HalfTransition on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:04 am

Otherworld wrote:I guess this page from the BoLM is a good start.

HISTORY OF SILENT HILL
A town that possesses a mysterious power, Silent Hill.
Using facts introduced in the games as a foundation, let's delve into the history of this town.

Year
In American history
Relevance to Silent Hill
Before 16th c. Native Americans conduct rituals here. This land is valued as a sacred place in Native American religion (see: folklore)
Around 1607 England begins colonizing North America
Late 1600s Settlers begin to come to Silent Hill
1692 Salem Witch Trials in Massachusetts
Early 1700s A mysterious epidemic breaks out, and the town is abandoned
1776 U.S. declaration of independence
1789 First presidential inauguration of George Washington
Around 1810 Civil war breaks out The town is resettled as a penal colony.
Silent Hill Prison is constructed (see: prison)
Brookhaven Hospital is constructed in response to the outbreak of an epidemic (see: epidemic)
1820 Maine becomes a state Allen Smith paints "waterfront landscape"
1830 Beginning of forced removal policy for Native Americans
Around 1840 Silent Hill Prison closes
Around 1850 A coal field is discovered and Wiltse coal mine opens, which leads to the revitalization of the town
1861 Outbreak of the American Civil War A man called Chester and his son both participate in the
war (see: the Civil War)
1862 Toluca prison camp is constructed for POWs
1865 Culmination of the Civil War
1866 The prison camp is converted into Toluca Prison
Around 1890 End of Native Americans' organized resistance At this time people everywhere in the town mysteriously disappear one after the other
Early 1900s Toluca Prison closes and Silent Hill becomes a sight-seeing area
Nov. 1918 A sightseeing ship called the Little Baroness goes missing
1939 Strange events take place at Toluca Lake (see: Toluca Lake)
19XX The mayor of Silent Hill dies suddenly, and one after the other the staff at a development group die accidental deaths


folklore
Sacred ground where Native Americans conducted mysterious rituals

Before settlers came from Europe, Silent Hill was a holy place. Even then, the land seemed to possess a mysterious power.

They revered the town as "The Place of the Silent Spirits." However, they were driven away by settlers and had to abandon the town.
prison

After the spread of an epidemic, resettling of the town as a penal colony begins
Many people lost their lives on this abominable soil. Consequently, the town was used at first as a penal colony. It was at this time that it was given the name "Silent Hill."

After the closing of the prison, the Historical Society was built on its former site. It conveys a sense of the town's history.
epidemic

Once more, the threat of a plague steadily wraps the town in darkness
The town was stricken by an epidemic. It may be that because of the unforeseen deaths of the town's population, as well as the thoughts and feelings of the prisoners, the original power that the town held was gradually distorted.


The current incarnation of Brookhaven Hospital has existed since it became large-scale in the late 1800s.
the Civil War

The town is drawn into the Civil War that divided the nation in two
The Civil War occurred in 1861. The stone statue by the lake is a memorial to Patrick Chester, a soldier who fought in the war at this time.

Although the conflict was originally born from political opposition, it was distorted by future generations into an issue concerning the birth of the religious cult.
Toluca lake

After becoming a sightseeing area, a series of misfortunes befall the town
With the closing of Wiltse coal mine came the attempted reinvention of the town as a tourist attraction. However, due to a succession of boating accidents the town gained a poor reputation as a sightseeing area.

The famous Toluca Lake is a place that overflows with atmosphere. It is known as an ominous lake that has become completely shrouded in a pervasive mist.


Add the fact that Helen Grady was able to travel to and from the Otherworld way before what happened to Alessa suggest as much as well?


Origins is a fangame and contraditcs the first game so much it can't be considered as canon (just like all post-SH4 games by the way). So no, Helen is not a good exemple. The town had a power to it to begin with but Alessa's suffering is what made the otherworlds possible in the first place.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Parvatii on Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:45 am

Origins is canon even if it contradicts the first one. The otherworld certainly existed prior to Alessa because it is everywhere. What makes Silent Hill's power unique is the ability to manifest what is in people's hearts and not just what is in their minds.
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Lilith wrote:Origins is canon even if it contradicts the first one. The otherworld certainly existed prior to Alessa because it is everywhere. What makes Silent Hill's power unique is the ability to manifest what is in people's hearts and not just what is in their minds.


I have to agree here^

HalfTransition wrote:Origins is a fangame and contraditcs the first game so much it can't be considered as canon (just like all post-SH4 games by the way). So no, Helen is not a good exemple. The town had a power to it to begin with but Alessa's suffering is what made the otherworlds possible in the first place.


Can you list the contradictions?
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Post by Hell Descended on Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:29 am

HalfTransition wrote:
Origins is a fangame and contraditcs the first game so much it can't be considered as canon (just like all post-SH4 games by the way). So no, Helen is not a good exemple. The town had a power to it to begin with but Alessa's suffering is what made the otherworlds possible in the first place.


This is a joke, right...? ...I thought we got rid of these people in 2014.
It was made under the Silent Hill brand and sold to the public for a price--pretty sure fangames have neither of those qualities.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by HalfTransition on Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:42 pm

Otherworld wrote:
Lilith wrote:Origins is canon even if it contradicts the first one. The otherworld certainly existed prior to Alessa because it is everywhere. What makes Silent Hill's power unique is the ability to manifest what is in people's hearts and not just what is in their minds.


I have to agree here^

HalfTransition wrote:Origins is a fangame and contraditcs the first game so much it can't be considered as canon (just like all post-SH4 games by the way). So no, Helen is not a good exemple. The town had a power to it to begin with but Alessa's suffering is what made the otherworlds possible in the first place.


Can you list the contradictions?


Do you really want me to list all of the contradictions? Go play SH1, read the memos and listen to the dialogues, then play Origins and tell me it doesn't have contradictions. But here's a big one, a retcon that fucks up something very important. Alessa was NEVER burned on her house's second floor. She was certainly not burned as part of an elaborate ritual either with a seal, since the ritual didn't require any burning anyway. Do you really want to get me started with how Lisa has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with SH1's original lisa? Do you want me to believe there's a fucking huge RPG-like pyramid/tomb behind the antique shop? That people can now freely roam the otherworld via mirrors?

HellDescended - Lol you are actually the ones we are finally getting rid of. You're only a couple guys left on what used to be the forum where Tomm came to get his balls washed until no folds were visible anymore. Go on youtube and read the thousands of comments where long time fans are disgusted at how the series turned out after SH4. We can barely see any of you guys left defending the crappy post-SH4 games.

And also, no SH game after SH4 is canon, they were made by developpers who have nothing to do with team silent (and yes it existed, it was made of key people who gave SH it's own identity), by people who never understood what made Silent Hill unique and awesome, both on the visual and horror side. They are bad commercialised fangames that's all.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Otherworld on Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:19 pm

HalfTransition wrote:
Otherworld wrote:
Lilith wrote:Origins is canon even if it contradicts the first one. The otherworld certainly existed prior to Alessa because it is everywhere. What makes Silent Hill's power unique is the ability to manifest what is in people's hearts and not just what is in their minds.


I have to agree here^

HalfTransition wrote:Origins is a fangame and contraditcs the first game so much it can't be considered as canon (just like all post-SH4 games by the way). So no, Helen is not a good exemple. The town had a power to it to begin with but Alessa's suffering is what made the otherworlds possible in the first place.


Can you list the contradictions?


Do you really want me to list all of the contradictions? Go play SH1, read the memos and listen to the dialogues, then play Origins and tell me it doesn't have contradictions. But here's a big one, a retcon that fucks up something very important. Alessa was NEVER burned on her house's second floor. She was certainly not burned as part of an elaborate ritual either with a seal, since the ritual didn't require any burning anyway. Do you really want to get me started with how Lisa has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with SH1's original lisa? Do you want me to believe there's a fucking huge RPG-like pyramid/tomb behind the antique shop? That people can now freely roam the otherworld via mirrors?


I have played all the games and I can understand you being frustrated with things not lining up perfectly between SH1 and Origins. Fact of the matter is, Konami owns the IP, and they will do whatever they want with it. That makes all SH games canon except SHSM, which was stated as being separate. Furthermore, nobody has a true understanding of how the otherworld works, and what other powers it may have. So if mirrors move people to and from the otherworld in a specific situation ... so be it.

HalfTransition wrote:And also, no SH game after SH4 is canon, they were made by developpers who have nothing to do with team silent (and yes it existed, it was made of key people who gave SH it's own identity), by people who never understood what made Silent Hill unique and awesome, both on the visual and horror side. They are bad commercialised fangames that's all.


As stated above. Konami makes these decisions as Team Silent worked for Konami. Konami owns the IP. They can do whatever they want with it.....

Case in point ...

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I believe it was said somwhere that Alessa's power only made the Otherworld stronger.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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HalfTransition wrote:
Do you really want me to list all of the contradictions? Go play SH1, read the memos and listen to the dialogues, then play Origins and tell me it doesn't have contradictions.


In English script or Japanese script? Because they contradict each other alone in the same game. We made a topic about it awhile back. The Japanese script for SH1 does not match much of the dialogue spoken in English. Not to mention it's a pretty bad translation where Dahlia literally says "The end is neigh." 'Neigh' is the sound horses make.

But here's a big one, a retcon that fucks up something very important. Alessa was NEVER burned on her house's second floor.


This is quite awkward then...

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She was certainly not burned as part of an elaborate ritual either with a seal, since the ritual didn't require any burning anyway.


She was burned in a ritual to descend God and Heather explicitly says the altar was the first time she saw the Halo of the Sun in Silent Hill 3 after you save one of the times. The cult is into human sacrifice and that was made clear in the first, third, and fourth games. Maybe it's you who should go play the classics and read the memos?

Do you really want to get me started with how Lisa has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with SH1's original lisa? Do you want me to believe there's a fucking huge RPG-like pyramid/tomb behind the antique shop? That people can now freely roam the otherworld via mirrors?


Mirrors serve as portals to the otherworld comes from older religions and folkloric beliefs on par with the classic's ideas of the otherworld. "Team Silent" was a revolving door of people and Owaku barely even worked on 4, if at all. A lot of the staff expressed desire to work on other games that were not SH or horror, this is documented in the Book of Lost Memories.

And also, no SH game after SH4 is canon, they were made by developpers who have nothing to do with team silent (and yes it existed, it was made of key people who gave SH it's own identity), by people who never understood what made Silent Hill unique and awesome, both on the visual and horror side. They are bad commercialised fangames that's all.


And as this post as indicated, you and other fans who believe Silent Hill fanon is canon and all the new games are shit, clearly do not understand Silent Hill classics yourselves. :lol: Perhaps more research is in order for you. When is the last time you played a classic Silent Hill game? I played one rather recently and memorized a lot of the script in English of the first 4 games. Do you want to debate more or do you come here to whine?
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Post by Otherworld on Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:58 am

devil hunter wrote:I believe it was said somwhere that Alessa's power only made the Otherworld stronger.


I believe that strength was already there, it was just distorted early on and Alessa's influence changed it again.

BoLM quote:

Originally Silent Hill was a holy place to the area's former inhabitants. It would seem that although the power of the town was not evil in nature, due to a number of factors including the spread of an epidemic and executions at the prison, the power that this place held was greatly distorted. Furthermore, due to the large-scale shift to the otherworld that occurred in the first game, the town has become a great catalyst for the manifestation of peoples' unconscious minds. It appears to have become a place that beckons to those who hold darkness in their hearts.


Lilith wrote:
HalfTransition wrote:
Do you really want me to list all of the contradictions? Go play SH1, read the memos and listen to the dialogues, then play Origins and tell me it doesn't have contradictions.


In English script or Japanese script? Because they contradict each other alone in the same game. We made a topic about it awhile back. The Japanese script for SH1 does not match much of the dialogue spoken in English. Not to mention it's a pretty bad translation where Dahlia literally says "The end is neigh." 'Neigh' is the sound horses make.

But here's a big one, a retcon that fucks up something very important. Alessa was NEVER burned on her house's second floor.


This is quite awkward then...

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She was certainly not burned as part of an elaborate ritual either with a seal, since the ritual didn't require any burning anyway.


She was burned in a ritual to descend God and Heather explicitly says the altar was the first time she saw the Halo of the Sun in Silent Hill 3 after you save one of the times. The cult is into human sacrifice and that was made clear in the first, third, and fourth games. Maybe it's you who should go play the classics and read the memos?

Do you really want to get me started with how Lisa has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with SH1's original lisa? Do you want me to believe there's a fucking huge RPG-like pyramid/tomb behind the antique shop? That people can now freely roam the otherworld via mirrors?


Mirrors serve as portals to the otherworld comes from older religions and folkloric beliefs on par with the classic's ideas of the otherworld. "Team Silent" was a revolving door of people and Owaku barely even worked on 4, if at all. A lot of the staff expressed desire to work on other games that were not SH or horror, this is documented in the Book of Lost Memories.

And also, no SH game after SH4 is canon, they were made by developpers who have nothing to do with team silent (and yes it existed, it was made of key people who gave SH it's own identity), by people who never understood what made Silent Hill unique and awesome, both on the visual and horror side. They are bad commercialised fangames that's all.


And as this post as indicated, you and other fans who believe Silent Hill fanon is canon and all the new games are shit, clearly do not understand Silent Hill classics yourselves. :lol: Perhaps more research is in order for you. When is the last time you played a classic Silent Hill game? I played one rather recently and memorized a lot of the script in English of the first 4 games. Do you want to debate more or do you come here to whine?


Great post Lilith !
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Post by Disrupticon on Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:22 am

Here's a handy guide to any talking points that have or may come up over the course of this thread, also coming to store shelves in Q4 of 2020. A must have for any hard to buy for masochist on your Christmas list!

Alessa was NEVER burned on her house's second floor.

The debate on where she was burned was one that was going on prior to Origins (though not with the same frequency or intensity) and doesn't really matter that much anyways.

She was certainly not burned as part of an elaborate ritual either with a seal, since the ritual didn't require any burning anyway.


For this conclusion to be consistent, you'll have to explain...

  • Why Silent Hill 3's biggest expository device, Harry's diary, specifically tells us that Alessa was "burned by her mother as a sacrifice to God". The unfortunate thing for those that say that Harry wasn't at the ritual is that Harry's writings do not operate in a vacuum- they are the word of the developers.
  • Why Silent Hill 3's 2nd biggest expository device- Heather (aka Alessa- who was at the ritual)- does not contradict Harry's account in any meaningful way and why this 'boiler explosion/malfunction' was never commented on again in any Silent Hill media- neither extra literary nor in any game.
  • Why the series never makes any effort to vindicate Dahlia- or even clarify that the cause of the inferno was not her own. They make her look like even more of a fanatical piece of shit in Silent Hill 4, as I recall.
  • Why Dahlia and Dr. K. took great pains to conceal what happened to Alessa if it was an accident. The investigation into their illicit activities didn't even begin until within 6 months time of the first game occurring, and even then there was very little but a rogue officer's hunch connecting them to the drug trade. So this most certainly couldn't have been why they chose to conceal Alessa and why she was reported dead. It would seem utterly pointless to arrange for this if they had no idea the vessel would be physically incapacitated beforehand.
  • Why Dahlia doesn't seem terribly bothered by Alessa's predicament, surely if the fire was an accident this would set her plans back by years. As it so happens, her plans were indeed set back by years- but it was by the splitting of Alessa's soul.
  • Lastly, why an event that left Alessa mortally wounded left Dahlia completely unscathed. Surely if the narrative that the Three Stupiteers have concocted is accurate- this inconsistency should be self-correcting.

Occam's Razor- A question answered without creating further questions is a question better answered.
In which case- the question would be- Did Dahlia burn her daughter in the Ritual of Resurrection? From any and all observable information, the answer is obviously yes.

You'll also notice that I brought all these counterpoints to the table without the use of any extra literary materials. If I also brought in Lost Memories and the Koshiki Guidebook Complete Edition I could present to you tens of quotes that state in no uncertain terms that Dahlia was the culprit.

Do you really want to get me started with how Lisa has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with SH1's original lisa?

I was out for a leisurely stroll one day a few weeks ago and ran into an old friend of mine, one that I hadn't seen in a great deal of time. Much to my surprise, he was a more upbeat sort of folk than he used to be 4 or 5 years ago. Man has that guy ever changed.

Origins is a piece of shit, no doubt about it, but its only crime is being a tedious bore.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Otherworld on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:25 pm

Disrupticon wrote:Here's a handy guide to any talking points that have or may come up over the course of this thread, also coming to store shelves in Q4 of 2020. A must have for any hard to buy for masochist on your Christmas list!

Alessa was NEVER burned on her house's second floor.

The debate on where she was burned was one that was going on prior to Origins (though not with the same frequency or intensity) and doesn't really matter that much anyways.

She was certainly not burned as part of an elaborate ritual either with a seal, since the ritual didn't require any burning anyway.


For this conclusion to be consistent, you'll have to explain...

  • Why Silent Hill 3's biggest expository device, Harry's diary, specifically tells us that Alessa was "burned by her mother as a sacrifice to God". The unfortunate thing for those that say that Harry wasn't at the ritual is that Harry's writings do not operate in a vacuum- they are the word of the developers.
  • Why Silent Hill 3's 2nd biggest expository device- Heather (aka Alessa- who was at the ritual)- does not contradict Harry's account in any meaningful way and why this 'boiler explosion/malfunction' was never commented on again in any Silent Hill media- neither extra literary nor in any game.
  • Why the series never makes any effort to vindicate Dahlia- or even clarify that the cause of the inferno was not her own. They make her look like even more of a fanatical piece of shit in Silent Hill 4, as I recall.
  • Why Dahlia and Dr. K. took great pains to conceal what happened to Alessa if it was an accident. The investigation into their illicit activities didn't even begin until within 6 months time of the first game occurring, and even then there was very little but a rogue officer's hunch connecting them to the drug trade. So this most certainly couldn't have been why they chose to conceal Alessa and why she was reported dead. It would seem utterly pointless to arrange for this if they had no idea the vessel would be physically incapacitated beforehand.
  • Why Dahlia doesn't seem terribly bothered by Alessa's predicament, surely if the fire was an accident this would set her plans back by years. As it so happens, her plans were indeed set back by years- but it was by the splitting of Alessa's soul.
  • Lastly, why an event that left Alessa mortally wounded left Dahlia completely unscathed. Surely if the narrative that the Three Stupiteers have concocted is accurate- this inconsistency should be self-correcting.

Occam's Razor- A question answered without creating further questions is a question better answered.
In which case- the question would be- Did Dahlia burn her daughter in the Ritual of Resurrection? From any and all observable information, the answer is obviously yes.

You'll also notice that I brought all these counterpoints to the table without the use of any extra literary materials. If I also brought in Lost Memories and the Koshiki Guidebook Complete Edition I could present to you tens of quotes that state in no uncertain terms that Dahlia was the culprit.

Do you really want to get me started with how Lisa has nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with SH1's original lisa?

I was out for a leisurely stroll one day a few weeks ago and ran into an old friend of mine, one that I hadn't seen in a great deal of time. Much to my surprise, he was a more upbeat sort of folk than he used to be 4 or 5 years ago. Man has that guy ever changed.

Origins is a piece of shit, no doubt about it, but its only crime is being a tedious bore.


This was also a great post. Thanks for the guide Disrupticon!
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Evidence for the existence of the Otherworld prior to Alessa

Post by Disrupticon on Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:26 am

I just realized how peculiar it is to see someone refer to the Youtube comment section in any kind of authoritative inflection.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Evidence for the existence of the Otherworld prior to Alessa

Post by Naroon on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:06 am

I didn't expect this topic to grow any. Not shocking in the slightest that this HT fellow never returned after being obliterated by the succeeding posts. Thanks btw for you guys' contributions.
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Evidence for the existence of the Otherworld prior to Alessa

Post by Disrupticon on Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:03 pm

Or the alternative- he just came by to flex his noodly intellectual muscles, declare victory, then run away.
 
 
 
 


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