Why I Believe Silent Hill: Homecoming Should Stand Alone

[Charles Phipps]

And yeah, yeah, I know TwinPerfect's current excuse (until they inevitably change their theory) is that SH4 "broke some rules". They still don't know what the hell they're talking about and that will never change.

I don't agree with Twin Perfect on a lot of things. My reasoning for the handling of Origins as Non-Canon is mostly due to the fact that the Dark World was created by Alessa and the ritual and shouldn't exist yet. The destruction of the town doesn't happen until Cheryl returns.

Your welcome to disagree, of course.

[Augophthalmoses]

Well, they could use "Watch the TRSHE." as their go to copout excuse for SH4, but some problems with that option.

Barring all the other stupid nitpicking and falsehoods (Dahlia teaching Walter the 21 Sacraments instead of George Rosten and Frank Sunderland sending Walter to the orphanage)



4:07

The ritual also turns the apartment in question into a nightmare world of Walter's subconscious.

5:03

All of Walter's victims haunt the realms of his subconscious.

5:32

And all of his future victims are pulled into his world to be killed.

6:11

Jospeh informs Henry that he must travel to the deepest part of Walter's subsconscious.

7:35

Silent Hill 4 had good and bad points. While the story is lacking and nowhere near the quality we've come to expect from the series, it maintains the theme and style of the series and makes for a good sidestory.

Same quote ^ repeated at the beginning of the second half. So far no mentioning of SH4 "breaking any rules" in regards to the previous games anywhere within that video.

Then again the top comment alone adds to their stupidity.

Even MORE of a shock, it really WAS Cynthia's dream. She was the architect of the subway dream, but when she died she dropped into unconstructed dreamspace. Since Henry and the others were already down several levels from Cynthia's dream, there was no way for Cynthia to sync up the kick. The only solution was to have Walter die so that he could follow her down and wake her up. We'll never know if Henry got out of the dream, though.

The fuck can all this be happening in the one static area of existence? The fuck are all the "SH4 broke rules" jargon they started sputterin out recently? Oh, right. They didn't think of that shit until recently. Nothing of the sort is ever bellowed in Part 2 either.


Pushing aside the usual trash spewed in the video and crowbar not knowing what the hell he's even talking about in regards to Downpour and the MDT in the comments section,

5:39

And don't give me any crap about a timeline! There were no dates specified until SH4 and Origins came along and screwed it all up.

No explanation of how SH4 screwed it all up. No surprise there.

7:05

Well, the truth is at this point in the game, Harry is pulled directly into Alessa's dream.

7:10

It's the only time in the game, really the whole series, where a scene is presented in an obvious dream sequence.

No mentioning whatsoever of SH4 or an explanation as to how those comments fit in with the one reality theory of theirs. Anyway, outside of that one mention SH4 is never brought into question regarding the issue of the MDT vs. TwinPerfect's theory. Well, at least until they change their theory again to accommodate more amounting evidence against them.

[Charles Phipps]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the "Real Silent Hill" people doing their Downpour review.

Anyone know when that's coming out?

But...yeah..I don't agree with them about a lot of this.

Silent Hill 4 was done by part of Team Silent so saying it's not is just silly and I'm NOT just a TS fanboy.

[JaneTheNurse]

I love their explanation of the different variations of the world. Makes imperfect sense to me, just as it should.
Since when was Silent Hill supposed to be easy to explain?

I think one problem with trying to decide whether or not something should be considered canon (aside from forgetting it's not your business what's canon and what isn't) is that fans keep trying to pin down just what exactly is going on like it's one of Alessa's dead butterflies on display.

The problem is that if you want to have any business "interpreting" the games, you have to leave it open for "interpretation" to other people. Therefore, pinning down one explanation that works all-around is pointless and not something to really bother with. Quit stifling the enjoyment! Goodness sakes. Besides, one explanation that works all-around isn't really in existence.

How about an example. Let's think about the Zelda series, another long-running series based around similar themes, similar environments, etc. It even has bad spin-off games that we can all lovingly ignore.

Okay, so you have Hyrule (Silent Hill), right? Or maybe you don't. Maybe it takes place somewhere else, like Holodrum. (Shepherd's Glen/South Ashfield/some other mall) Your main character is Link, who usually doesn't know what's going on and is only discovering his powers (past) as you go through the game. Sometimes the controls are one way for a while through a few games (2, 3), where you have your familiar C-buttons or C-stick holding your items and you use A to interact (tank controls), or maybe you have some brand new spiffy control scheme that puts you more in the action somehow (over the shoulder) to let you see more details in the world and change things up a bit. The game is centered around some stuff regarding the goddesses, the triforce, and all that jazz (the cult, spiritual power), but other times it's more focused on stuff like the goddesses of seasons or a magical train ride or something. (splinter of the cult, psychological themes only) You usually have pretty similar items like the bow and bombs and such (metal pipe, radio), but other times they throw you for a loop and give you something new, like the beetle. (holy candles)

TL;DR: Sometimes things change.

Did that make any sense at all?

[Purramid_Head]

Silent Hill has never been static.

[Augophthalmoses]

Their explanation is pretty sloppy and ignores a lot of factors and events in the games that contradict their idea of one world. Most notably SH4 in its entirety and neither the Multiple Dimension Theory video nor any of the two SH4 videos ever once explain how the multiple worlds Henry goes through in SH4 can fit in with their theory that the events of the Silent Hill games all happen in the one real world. Their SH4 portion of the TRSHE, as I pointed out, even has them verbally mentioning the fact that Walter creates and pulls victims into his own worlds. How the hell does this add up with their theory in the Multiple Dimension Theory video?

You can tell the TRSHE, which was touted so much prior to its release as this big documentary they were working on for so long, was pretty hastily slapped together when it comes to actually discussing the plot of the games and how they're supposed to fit together. Maybe if they spent less time on production values and shitty jokes and more time on proper research and making sure EVERYTHING they say in each section is consistent with everything else they say in later portions of the TRSHE, then they wouldn't have so many people proclaiming it as a flawed piece of crap.

I'm not really referring to Jane in particular when I say this, but just in general: the people who try to claim the TRSHE has no glaring mistakes typically don't really pay significant attention to everything conveyed within and likely display a more passive state when watching it.

Their assertion that SH4 "broke some rules" is just clear bullshit. We know what the town is capable of doing. We don't know what it's not capable of doing. Simply adding onto and expanding upon what the town neighboring areas are capable of doing isn't "breaking rules". By that logic, SH2 "broke some rules" when it established that the town can lure in anybody with darkness in their hearts and not everything is the result of Alessa's powers as we previously thought back when SH1 was the only game in the series at the time it came out. You could also use their hairbrained logic to say SH3 "broke some rules" when it establishes that the Otherworld can manifest outside of Silent Hill itself.

Now I know the explanation they and a few of their followers try to claim for SH3 is that the god fetus inside is what is responsible for Heather experiencing these shifts in SH3. But does anybody realize how this comes into with SH2 which has neither Alessa or any type of god resurrection? The very game that, once again, made it clear that Silent Hill can manifest the Otherworld outside of Alessa and whatever the hell the cult was doing.

[NarooN]

Can't wait to see their Downpour vid. Oh man, that day will be great!

[captain crowbar]

Rosseter told me everyone is going to be surprised. whoooweeeewooooo

[devil hunter]

What they're going to actually like it?

[NarooN]

Surprised? Nah, I don't think so. We know what to expect already.

But if they do "like" it, it'll probably be a publicity stunt to try to repair their reputation to try to get in good with the rest of the fanbase who already knows about their BS.

[captain crowbar]

He didn't tell me much else, just that literally everyone will be surprised. That includes their fans. They're hard at work on like 4 episodes. Should be out fairly soon.

Naroon...don't be childish. As much of the fanbase loves them as hates them. TBH, most people don't care one way or the other. Silent Hill has a dwindling fanbase as it is and this stupid civil war bull is tired and played out. Don't turn into another Augo and make this sort of thing your entire life.

[NarooN]

You somehow got all of that out of my quick post? I didn't post some two post 50-paragraph essay on them, so I don't need any lectures from you of all people on how to behave here. I see much more hate for them than I do support, and I'm not just counting people from here. Even the youtube fans started to see through their shenanigans a while ago. They don't have any credibility whatsoever, and after the way they've treated a lot of people, many of them who had no harsh intent whatsoever, I don't see how anyone can even try to back them up, but whatever.

[captain crowbar]

^ You just proved my point.

[NarooN]

How did I prove your point if you didn't really have one to begin with?

[Lanny Sticks]

I'm just curious why they're so shy to tell people their thoughts about Downpour. They got their donations didn't they? They've had plenty of time to play the game. Why not just tell people what they think instead of saving it for a video review?

[NarooN]

Because they love the attention. They think they're overlords and the all-knowing of the SH fandom.

[rollerfan222]

Because they love the attention. They think they're overlords and the all-knowing of the SH fandom.

you took the words out of my mouth, man i can't stand those guys, i appreciate the effort they put in their videos but the way they bash everything non-team-silent is just childish, they sound like 5 year olds. they praise a non existent "team" that never was a concrete team to begin with. people were always coming in and out between titles except for the key people like ito and tsuboyama. etc.

[NarooN]

Yeah. I was amped up about the supposed documentary, then it turns out they spent most of the time on overblown production values rather than doing their research. The vast amount of misinformation that they try to spread in the vids is just ridiculous. No way I'm gonna take them seriously, especially after they talked shit to people who asked them simple questions with no ill intent. They'd berate then block most people who offered even the smallest ounce of a criticism, even people that pointed out things that they got wrong in a civil manner. That sounds like behavior of a tyrannical dictator and his corrupt government to me, lol.

[rollerfan222]

Yeah. I was amped up about the supposed documentary, then it turns out they spent most of the time on overblown production values rather than doing their research. The vast amount of misinformation that they try to spread in the vids is just ridiculous. No way I'm gonna take them seriously, especially after they talked shit to people who asked them simple questions with no ill intent. They'd berate then block most people who offered even the smallest ounce of a criticism, even people that pointed out things that they got wrong in a civil manner. That sounds like behavior of a tyrannical dictator and his corrupt government to me, lol.

again my exact opinion.

[captain crowbar]

Yeah, you know who I don't like? That Obama guy. I think he may be the worst President we've had in my entire lifetime. I miss Clinton. Now THAT was a president.