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Post by Otherworld on Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:58 pm

In another thread there was a discussion of how Travis was able to traverse to the otherworld on his own accord. It was suggested that Travis seemed to have his own "power".

I am of a different view. I think Alessa used Travis as a conduit.

What do you think?
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Post by Lilith on Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:07 pm

Not gonna lie, I hate this banned user. But her topic here is good about it: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=310000&p=5743300&hilit=travis+piggyback#p5743300
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Post by nur_ein_tier on Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:10 pm

Yeah, I think Travis was being manipulated, rather than having superpowers and controlling reality.
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Post by PMS_Akali on Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:26 am

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Post by Otherworld on Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:53 am

It fits with the memo in the hospital in 2 about the "sickness" seen here.

The potential for this illness
exists in all people and, under
the right circumstances, any
man or woman would be driven,
like him, to "the other side."

The "other side" perhaps may
not be the best way to phrase it.
After all, there is no wall between
here and there. It lies on the
borders where reality and unreality
intersect. It is a place both close
and distant.

Some say it isn't even an illness.
I cannot agree with them. I'm a
doctor, not a philosopher or even
a psychiatrist.

But sometimes I have to ask
myself this question. It's true
that to us his imaginings are
nothing but the inventions of
a busy mind. But to him, there
simply is no other reality.
Furthermore he is happy there.

So why, I ask myself, why in the
name of healing him must we drag
him painfully into the world of our
own reality?


It also fits because Travis starts his own self discovery journey as well.

And the fact that we know that people with afflicted minds are easily drawn to the otherworld.

Plus, Purramid_Head, not to long ago you posted a thread that had to do with sin and sickness kind of being one in the same in ancient times.

Seems to me like Alessa used Travis as a conduit or channel. This seemed to work very well because of Travis' obvious afflicted mind. Using him to traverse through the otherworld to collect all the pieces of the Flauros. I think we see this because Alessa is at her most powerful point ever. Since she is split in half at the end of the game, and that seemed to be her end game. In SH1 she has less control over her power as it runs wild, and she is unable to use anyone as a conduit again.
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Post by Lilith on Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:58 am

I think a better example would be the criminals having their "dark minds" influence the otherworld is a better example. However, there's a concept of animism or emotional imprints explained in a memo in SH3 that really conveys how/why of the environmental impact and the concepts of sin add to this.
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Post by Otherworld on Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:54 am

Purramid_Head wrote:I think a better example would be the criminals having their "dark minds" influence the otherworld is a better example. However, there's a concept of animism or emotional imprints explained in a memo in SH3 that really conveys how/why of the environmental impact and the concepts of sin add to this.


I cannot find the memo you are talking about.

And I do agree, the other thread you linked was a very good one ......
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Post by jam6i on Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:00 pm

Yea I've already said why I think the conduit/mirror idea was poorly thought out. There are a lot of tiny details about the mirror system that can go horribly, horribly wrong for Alessa. Letting Travis choose his actions is too risky for Alessa's really important long-con.

But on a lighter note

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The idea that Travis actually has dimension hopping abilities independent of Alessa would make the story (and his character) actually entertaining. I'd like to imagine Travis gets all nervous and antsy while driving for fear he may accidentally trigger a hell-world while passing through Detroit just because he was adjusting his mirrors.

Do I think he has superpowers? Nahhh. .
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Post by Lilith on Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:10 pm

Otherworld wrote:
Purramid_Head wrote:I think a better example would be the criminals having their "dark minds" influence the otherworld is a better example. However, there's a concept of animism or emotional imprints explained in a memo in SH3 that really conveys how/why of the environmental impact and the concepts of sin add to this.


I cannot find the memo you are talking about.

And I do agree, the other thread you linked was a very good one ......



Sorry, I'm confusing sources. I wrote that in haste in Japanese class. It's from BOLM:
SECTION FOUR: To end her perpetual suffering, Alessa's obsession
materializes

At the merry-go-round in the amusement park, the "memory of Alessa
(Alessa's obsession)" appears. In accordance with her name, she is not
Alessa herself but her profoundly dark emotion that clings to this place.
Her intention is to escape from the pain in which she was perpetually
made to live by destroying herself. And so, for that reason she acts
out of a sense of kindness in that she wants to spare Heather from
that same suffering.

In the first game, Alessa's aspirations were never realized and her
obsession adhered to this place for a period of seventeen years.


What I mean is you can gauge this kind of thing is also in the occult memo in the subway:
"The souls of those who died
suddenly by suicide or accident
don't realize they're dead.
Sometimes they stay put and
haunt that particular place.

These spirits have lost their human
senses and memories and can only
keep replaying the pain and sadness
of the moment they died.

The pain can get so bad that they
turn to humans for salvation -- or
they begrudge humans their lives.
At such times they can possess
humans.

Places known as "famous suicide
spots" or "high-accident areas"
are often to blame.

You should be careful when
approaching such locations,
especially on the day or at the
time the death occurred.
That is, if you don't want it
to happen to you, too..."


Of course one is ghosts who lost their way and the other is more of strong emotions, but they're both tied to their respective areas because of those emotions which confers a type of animism the natives originally believed in. The prisoners worked similarly on the entire town.
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Post by Otherworld on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:09 am

I don't know, it seems like a better case would be made to attribute the easy way which Travis is able to be used by Alessa and traverse the otherworld has to do with his mental state.

BoLM quote:

It seems that people with afflicted minds are easily drawn to the otherworld.


Afflicted:
(of a problem or illness) cause pain or suffering to; affect or trouble.

That is why I posted the doctors note from SH2. As "illness" is part of that definition.
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