How can 0rigins even be considered canon?

[Wooden Plank]

It's a prequel. Why is everybody expecting it to be consistent with the main storyline? Prequels are always filled with plotholes.

[NarooN]

A game truly worth pooping on is Trigger Man. I played it back in 2007 I think, don't even remember how I got the game in the first place, I just know I didn't buy it. It was so horrible, lmao. You played as a hitman who worked for the mob, the this was a mob that had "morals and values" and whatnot, so they didn't kill cops or innocents. WTF?! I never beat the first level (seems most people couldn't) since when you got to the end, cops come in, and you need to sneak by them, but it's virtually impossible to do so.

Here's a review done by some dude

[Mr_Dante]

A game truly worth pooping on is Trigger Man. I played it back in 2007 I think, don't even remember how I got the game in the first place, I just know I didn't buy it. It was so horrible, lmao. You played as a hitman who worked for the mob, the this was a mob that had "morals and values" and whatnot, so they didn't kill cops or innocents. WTF?! I never beat the first level (seems most people couldn't) since when you got to the end, cops come in, and you need to sneak by them, but it's virtually impossible to do so.

Here's a review done by some dude

Trigger Man is indeed worth pooping on.

I've played Silent Hill 1 and 2 the most, SH3 twice (I'm currently on my 3rd play through), SH4, Origins and Homecoming only once. I guess that shows which games impressed me the most...

Reading through all the comments on this thread, it makes me feel like I'm missing out..
I'll get around the playing them all again. Much respect goes out to the people who have analysed the story and mystery and complexity of Silent Hill, some very detailed responses make me feel like an amateur SH fan

[Hazardsfury]

In regards to the infamous memo in SH1, explaining when Harry found Cheryl/the date of the house fire.. Its entirely possible the whole game of origins took place on one calendar day... and those mentioning about Travis waking up in a hospital in the day.. after night, this is Silent Hill, hell it might not even have a sense of time..., sort of like a paused dimension.

In fact the only inconsistency, is this part of the memo "Fire broke out in town. 6 homes destroyed" I'm correct in saying that the house was secluded right?

[Purramid_Head]

Hazardsfury, the inconsisties existed before Origins. It always shows the Gillispie house secluded but the article says 6 houses burned along with it in the "business district".

[Hazardsfury]

You mean the secluded house in the opening of SH1 right??..., Or maybe, I'm not understanding what you said correctly.... Anyhow... I'll try and respond even if I didn't understand your point correct, for that I'm sorry

There is no actual evidence that (forgive me if I'm incorrect, perhaps one snippet of information has crept past me and I'm here rambling like a fool) the house shown in the SH1 cutscene is the Gillespie household, It doesn't even clarify it in the Book of Lost Memories all it states (translated version) "A single house surrounded by disused telephone poles and a pool of water. Could this be Dahlia's house where Alessa was burned in the fire?" The emphasize being on COULD

Obviously that's probably Team Silent knowing they made an inconsistency between the Memo/Koshiki guide book, so they refuse to verify it so we don't call them idiots. Therefore my opinion stands, until verified that the house in the cutscene is the Gillespie household that the inconsistency is from Silent Hill: Origins (who probably only did it because they saw the House in the SH1 cutscene and didn't even remember the memo )

Don't get me wrong though, personally Origins is canon to me, most of it can be explained from some perspective, just a couple of things that was overlooked that was all, can hardly blame them especially considering the complexity of the series.

[what]

"A single house surrounded by disused telephone poles and a pool of water. Could this be Dahlia's house where Alessa was burned in the fire?" The emphasize being on COULD

People really make too big a deal with the passive way Lost Memories describes things. If that is not the Gillespie house, then the game shows us some random, unimportant house which the guidebook remarks upon for no reason.

[Hazardsfury]

"A single house surrounded by disused telephone poles and a pool of water. Could this be Dahlia's house where Alessa was burned in the fire?" The emphasize being on COULD

People really make too big a deal with the passive way Lost Memories describes things. If that is not the Gillespie house, then the game shows us some random, unimportant house which the guidebook remarks upon for no reason.

Don't take it the wrong way, I personally think it is the Gillespie household just it never really clarifies that IT is, because of how its written, therefore technically you can't really use it in debate ;/ just saying.

[what]

"A single house surrounded by disused telephone poles and a pool of water. Could this be Dahlia's house where Alessa was burned in the fire?" The emphasize being on COULD

People really make too big a deal with the passive way Lost Memories describes things. If that is not the Gillespie house, then the game shows us some random, unimportant house which the guidebook remarks upon for no reason.

Don't take it the wrong way, I personally think it is the Gillespie household just it never really clarifies that IT is, because of how its written, therefore technically you can't really use it in debate ;/ just saying.

It's safe to assume that when the book mentions that something could be true, it is really saying that it is true. Especially when no alternative explanation is available which sounds anywhere near as good. This is one of those cases. If a person used this alleged ambiguity in a debate to insist that it is not the Gillespie residence, or worse, that you can't PROVE IT IS, most people would correctly dismiss that person and their argument.

Because, really, the whole purpose of the book is to answer questions. Creating ambiguity would run counter to the point.

[Hazardsfury]

It's safe to assume that when the book mentions that something could be true, it is really saying that it is true. Especially when no alternative explanation is available which sounds anywhere near as good. This is one of those cases. If a person used this alleged ambiguity in a debate to insist that it is not the Gillespie residence, or worse, that you can't PROVE IT IS, most people would correctly dismiss that person and their argument.

Because, really, the whole purpose of the book is to answer questions. Creating ambiguity would run counter to the point.

You see I hate the Book of Lost memories.... because of how it is written. You can say the purpose of the book is to answer questions, but sometimes it's doesn't and just leads to obvious assumption. I'm sorry but I don't work with assumption..... when it comes to debates.

Also if someone has the right to dismiss me that I don't have proof that it is the Gillespie residence, then it should work the other way around. Especially considering the memo found in the PAL version of the title... (regarding six houses) and since this is in the title you cannot dismiss that.. working against the lone secluded house in the intro cutscene.

But enough of this it's obvious Team Silent messed up, tried to cover it up with ambiguity and passive wording in Lost Memories... Meaning we can never give a resolute answer... I'm just being difficult I suppose +}

Actually this brings up a further point, just out of intrigue because I don't know.. why was the fire article only in the PAL version of the title or is the Wiki just misguiding me?

[NarooN]

There's not really anything to suggest that it's NOT the Gillespie house, so there's no reason to assume that it isn't just because it's not explicitly stated.

[X-rust]

In fact the only inconsistency, is this part of the memo "Fire broke out in town. 6 homes destroyed" I'm correct in saying that the house was secluded right?

Nope, other buildings on the place

[Hazardsfury]

In fact the only inconsistency, is this part of the memo "Fire broke out in town. 6 homes destroyed" I'm correct in saying that the house was secluded right?

Nope, other buildings on the place

O.o didn't really notice that, probably because it's really hard to see it in-game, hmm.... still, it doesn't fit the business district persona nor... is there six houses within a reasonable distance of each other to cause such a widespread fire.. still it's entirely reasonable. That and those other houses seem fine to me in the cut-scenes.. Nice picture though +}

[Purramid_Head]

Is that a hack? Good stuff.

[X-rust]

Is that a hack?

Rip from psp-version.

is there six houses within a reasonable distance of each other to cause such a widespread fire.. still it's entirely reasonable

Hmm, maybe at this moment (1:07) other buildings start burning?

[Hazardsfury]

Is that a hack?

Rip from psp-version.

is there six houses within a reasonable distance of each other to cause such a widespread fire.. still it's entirely reasonable

Hmm, maybe at this moment (1:07) other buildings start burning?

Hmmm not sure it's not very clear but entirely plausible XD.. Nice find.. I might go play Origins again In the mood now

[ERROR]

>There is no actual evidence that [. . .] the house shown in the SH1 cutscene is the Gillespie household<
The same house is in SILENT HILL: ORIGINS, in which Alessa is found.

[donjohn80]

I think Alessa needs to be alive for God to be birthed but they burn her because it feeds on suffering. She may have said "Let me burn" in hopes that death would prevent things, but if Dahlia was doing anything to keep her alive then she should have known better.

[asdf]

to be honest i think they did this just to cash in on the silent hill name this game feels like they were made by people who didnt understand the game and tryed to follow the movie instead

why would they burn alyssa um isnt that a bad idea i mean they impregnet her with there god inside her so last time i check that the only way the god will surivive is through alyssa?if you think about it they dont try to do the impregention ritual at all it never show or even mention?also now there three alyssas?the way the character act didnt fit at all the fact lisa know more then she should and kaufman is a bond villian and knows extacly what goin on but in the original he has no idea and is as confused as harry in a way meaning like the monster and trasition of the place?and the ritual took place in the basment in even says in the first game?and many more this game cant be considered canon at all.i did like the new games and were they went but i look past those game fine whatever but this one is trying to be a back story to the orignal and im sorry but this one can not be forgived at all it a messy game.

[Floodclaw]

^This is a game that pretty much emulates the original games to the tee, it has nothing to do with the movie.

They burned Alessa in Silent Hill 1. It was mentioned several times. The movie did not come up with this idea. It was a ritual meant to inflict pain and hatred upon her to birth the god.

Kaufmann always has known exactly what is going on, but feigned an act with Harry because he didn't want him to interfere. Lisa knows what she does because she's still alive at this point and is doing things with Kaufmann. I assume she forgets things when she is absorbed by the Otherworld.

The ritual didn't take place in the basement in the first game. There was a memo stating that a police report (likely false) said a boiler exploded in the basement and was the cause of the fire, but nowhere does it say the ritual takes place in the basement.