Obsidiot wrote:I know that it was brought up in the conversations that happen during the endings, I was more referring to some actual pillow-over-face action, which doesn't happen. Mary just kicketh the bucketh. So why doesn't the act itself go down during the ending cutscenes? Having Mary die 'naturally' just changes everything, like him making it to the finish line has somehow made him deserving of having it cleared off his record, so to speak. At least go full-circle, James!
If his journey is to learn and accept the truth about what he did, then what's up with the alternate endings? He knows the truth in all of them, and if that was what he was called to Silent Hill to accomplish, then it doesn't make much sense to me that he can still potentially fail.
James' journey is about the type of person he is. James' actions throughout his journey tells him more about himself. It's not about what he did. He was called so we know he sinned. It's about why he did it. The different iterations at the end of the game paint quite a different picture of who he is and what his motivations were when we killed Mary.
Obsidiot wrote:As for Laura opening James' eyes to the truth; how is that evidence of her being real? Maria also assists James in that same way, in fact, she is the one encouraging James to go after Laura. And if truth is such an important part of James' journey, how about telling Laura that he killed Eddie? James has now killed two of Laura's friends, I really think she should be informed of that.
James killed Eddie in self-defence and maybe that's not something you want to tell an 8 year old ....
James thinks Mary died 3 years ago, that is not the case, Laura letting James know that his timelines are wack helps James realise the truth. His search is not for Mary, it's for himself.
Plus the BoLM specifically mentions that Laura ( a real person ) is unable to see Maria ( James delusion )
Laura: To her the town appears to be normal; she does not see any monsters, nor does she see Maria.
Obsidiot wrote:Otherworld wrote: The endings only reflect the truth he unravels about himself during his metaphysical journey through Silent Hill.
Is he a cold blooded killer?
Eddie? No. James? Yes.
The only reason Eddie does not actually kill another person is because James has to defend himself. Eddie tries to kill James and he thinks he has killed countless others during his journey.
Obsidiot wrote:Otherworld wrote:
Is he a disturbed victim?
No. He is the one that torments the victim. Definitely not a victim himself.
James endured 3 years of abuse at the hands of Mary. He has been victimized as well.
Obsidiot wrote:Otherworld wrote:
Remember they are all called together at the same time.
That's making the assumption that they are were called. They could just have easily have manifested the same way Maria did. But suppose they were indeed called at the same time, why? So James could trample them in the process of using them as his own personal stepping stones? Since when did Silent Hill become co-op?
They are called, they are in Silent Hill at the same time. So we can say that they are all called at the same time. Eddie and Angelas' fate is sealed after their calling as there is no grey area in what they have done (or will do) Silent Hills history ensures that it punishes sinners. James has sinned as well. But James has way more "grey area" in what he has done. The Town ensures he follows a metaphysical path so James ( and the Town ) find out what type of person he is. That's how it works in self contained stories like SH2 and DP.
Obsidiot wrote:Otherworld wrote:
There are no definite answers, we must remember
BoLM quote:The complex story of the second game attracts attention with its shocking conclusion and various possible interpretations. If one plays with a deeper understanding of the elaborately integrated scenarios and the backgrounds of the characters that appear in the game, one should be able to gain a deeper appreciation for the story.
^This is what the developers wanted, us to discuss this exactly like we are doing right now.
And I love every minute of it!
Yes ..... so do I !!!
Obsidiot wrote:Thanks for the picture of Maria, by the way. Whatever happened to her? I mean, when James bumped her out of there to make room for the manifestation of Maria?
No idea what happened to her. Who knows why she was used by James and the Town......
Obsidiot wrote:Otherworld wrote:But the BoLM is pointing out why both were called...
Those who have guilt are summoned
Due to the appearance of the otherworld on a massive scale in the first game, the town has come to be a place that calls those who hold a profound darkness in their hearts. It seems that people with afflicted minds are easily drawn to the otherworld. The town calls to those who bear the weight of some crime and shows them what is in their hearts.
What exactly does 'afflicted minds' and 'profound darkness in their hearts' referring to here? I don't see why Angela is there at all; She is the victim of systematic sexual abuse, and killing her own father was an act of pure self-defense. And Laura is described as without darkness, yet she is a little bully! Is it because she gets to play the 'I'm a child!' free-card? And who are exempt from these rules? Heather, for example, is called there for an entirely different reason;
Darkness refers to sin. No matter what Angela went through, in Silent Hill what she did is still a sin. Afflicted minds refers to pain, suffering or trouble "affliction" of the mind. Mental turmoil maybe the best way to describe it. Laura has no darkness but she is in the otherworld. She is an innocent.
Heather cannot be looked at in the same light. Heather sees what she sees because of Claudia and her power. She is not called to town like the characters from Silent Hill 2.
See this thread of mine if you would like further explanation. http://www.silenthillcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=437183
Obsidiot wrote:"Heather, who is Alessa's reincarnation, is finally drawn to the town of Silent Hill when her body has matured enough for her to take on the role of the mother."
I don't know.. It just seems to me that there's no system to it, or purpose; you get sucked in, and either you manage to claw yourself back out, or you're doomed. And all because of self-righteous cult leaders deciding to do shit they shouldn't do, then end up pissing in the cereal of the old gods.
Oh and... If truth is so very important for James to complete his journey, he should really own up to being instrumental to the death of both Eddie and Angela.
Heather is drawn to Silent Hill because of Claudia as she has matured enough to be able "give birth"
James kills Eddie in self defense and Angela kills herself.