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Post by Pazuzu on Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:54 pm

Reading a lot of reviews and discussions nowadays about the original Silent Hill, one thing that gets a constant mention are the dated quality of the graphics and sometimes people criticize the quality of the graphics, but I feel this is wholly unfair because the game was made with the technology and hardware the developers had to work with back in the late 90s and it looks as good as it can for it's time. Maybe for some younger gamers SH1 doesn't look anything special but I'm old enough to remember when the original PlayStation came out and how exciting and innovative it was to see games evolving from a technical standpoint. A lot of PS1-era games graphically aren't anything to marvel at nowadays, true, but you got to look back to when they were first out during the mid-to-late 90s, nobody had seen games like that before and you could tell it was a pathway to bigger things onward. By 1999 standards I think SH1 looks fine and a clear effort was made to make the characters, environments, etc. as detailed as possible. The animated FMV cutscenes still look quite good and lifelike. And I actually feel the much more rough and crude quality of the graphics actually really enhances the feeling of decay and disgust in many of the environments, especially the Otherworld, and actually make them feel that much more filthy and nasty. I'll never forget that icky feeling I felt going through the Otherworld's environments for the very first time and the urgency I felt to escape. I feel the slightly crude graphics actually add to the eeriness and the disturbing aspects of the creature designs as well

I know I'm sort of rambling on, but anyone else get what I'm saying? I see so many modern reviewers criticizing the graphics and saying the game is dated. While the graphics nowadays may be dated and not that cutting-edge anymore it's important to bear in mind they looked good back in 1999 and looked the best they could with the hardware the crew had to work with. But even with the dated graphics the game has held up amazingly well and the important factors like the story, characters, suspense, atmosphere, scares, replayability, etc. it's held up excellently in that regard. It has other powerful moments in it as well that still hit hard on an emotional and psychological level.

I really love and miss old-school Survival Horror games from the 90s and early 2000s, when they focused on being scary and atmospheric and haunting you long after you played them, and they weren't concentrated on being pretty to look at but being as scary as can be. It really is a perfect example of less being so much more. For me the original Silent Hill is such a shining example.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by PinentidHead on Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:10 pm

Can you provide some links about those reviews? The reviews I know still put the SH1 in the top with high scores, better than RE1 for instance. Problem is the LCD screen drop the graphics quality, it was meant to be played in CRT screen or with scanlines simulation.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Alistair on Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:31 am

Yeah...I can't agree with the criticism of the game's graphics. You can't judge it by today's standards. It looks as good as if not better than most games of that time.
There was a lot of love and effort built into the environments and I love stopping to just look at all the little details scattered about.
If anything, I think the quality of the graphics enhances the experience. I'll never forget my first time with this one! It was terrifying and definitely stayed with me long after it was over.
The music, environments, and monsters...it all blends so well together.
I think the series maintained quality graphics all through the first four games.
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Post by Tabris on Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:23 pm

I totally agree too. I love the old style graphics of SH1. To me it really adds to the game and the atmosphere. The style and feel also makes it one of the more unique in the series.

Only Origins comes close to that original 'feel'. For me anyways.

As much as I want a legit remake of the first game, I would certainly never stop playing the original.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Pazuzu on Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:46 pm

PinentidHead wrote:Can you provide some links about those reviews? The reviews I know still put the SH1 in the top with high scores, better than RE1 for instance. Problem is the LCD screen drop the graphics quality, it was meant to be played in CRT screen or with scanlines simulation.



Mainly in a lot of newer reviews and some discussions on the first game the dated graphics are constantly mentioned, and when people are asked things they'd change about the original game, better graphics usually gets a mention.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Otherworld on Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:52 am

If there is one game that deserves a solid remake as good as REmake it's SH1.
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Post by PinentidHead on Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:53 pm

I remember when I decided to play it in PS3 with a good Sony LCD. The emulation is "to good" and IMO let the graphics worst than a good CRT screen. I did some small homemade games in the 90's and a technique we use was to join some colors, pixel to pixel, in order to create false color and false texture with the scan lines. As there is no pixel in a ray tube, only an analog beam, it's possible to mix colors and points to close each other - emulators usually have special plug ins to simulate CRT behavior. So the result, as I expect, is a pixelate strange image.

This side effect does not happens with the same intensity in all games, depend on the graphic mode and graphic techniques. I think RE has lower quality loss and Castlevania almost none. A reviewer should know about all this, don't know what kind of reviewer Pazuzu is consulting, maybe just kids. And I must say after a while playing, the game involves the player anyway. It is still a cool game to play!

As for a remake, I didn't believe in REmake, but I now admit: it is a great remake! We need guys with this qualification for a successful SH remake. I read some analysis, I think RagnarRox mentioned this too: the high quality don't make it easier to do a horror game, make it harder. I am playing Alan Wake and there is a hard work to deteriorate the image - a clear image is not terrifying, and is a basic mistake of many horror game developers. A good SH remake will probably get a poor review in graphics by Pazuzu's kids...
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Pazuzu on Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:35 pm

I wouldn't be against a good remake of SH1 one of these days but at the same time I feel it may not be needed as the original has that special quality to it that just can't be replicated.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by PinentidHead on Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:55 am

^Agreed. This is a serious issue. I think a remake can only be made by real specialists like recovering a work of art, or, as an alternative, expanding the concept for a current engine - some sort of Horror The Last of Us. There is clear limitations for the plot in the original due to lack of technology to execute it, might be an opportunity.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by Pazuzu on Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:12 am

Thing is the hardware limitations at the time ended up being a good thing for SH1 and without it we wouldn't have had the fog effect which has been a staple of the series from the beginning. It really is an instance of less being so much more. The hardware limitations with the PS1 made the developers more creative and thoughtful.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Post by clips7 on Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:20 am

Otherworld wrote:If there is one game that deserves a solid remake as good as REmake it's SH1.




This...Re-make for me was better than the original....maybe in this instance we should let capcom do a re-make for SH1.... :D .....
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Post by Otherworld on Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:44 am

clips7 wrote:
Otherworld wrote:If there is one game that deserves a solid remake as good as REmake it's SH1.




This...Re-make for me was better than the original....maybe in this instance we should let capcom do a re-make for SH1.... :D .....



^^^ YUP !!!

Or have Konami hire that team. - but ....

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