Ito confirms some stuff about Lisa... (spoilers)

[Purramid_Head]

I'll get some screens later but I went ahead and asked Ito some questions surrounding Lisa's death.

She died of drugs Kaufman gave her shortly before Harry arrived in Silent Hill. Cradle of Cage, the cell phone comic him and Owaku did, is canon and depicts or talks about her death. She was not murdered by Kaufman.

Lisa is also his favorite character.

[Augophthalmoses]

Or people can just check his twitter.
https://twitter.com/#!/adsk4

He also puts to rest the issue of the Otherworld. Although TP will still try everything they can to twist his words around as usual.

[Zom-B]

Seems he supports their same dimension theory, can't see how they would have to twist anything.

[Augophthalmoses]

Not really. Their previous claim was that the town was abandoned and that everything happened in one world. Then when more and more evidence started getting mounted against them, they switched to saying it's "bending reality" without realizing that they're just taking ideas that are derived from the MDT.

He says on his twitter that there's the Otherworld and the real world (which he jokingly calls Anotherworld) and says they take place in the same dimension. That's not really the same thing that TwinPerfect has been rambling about. Ito's idea of the Otherworld is more in line with the MDT than the one world concept they tried to run with for so long until now. Now they're basically trying to take various aspects of the MDT and pretend as if it's something else entirely. Most notably from crowbar's theories which were in turn derived from Pyramid Heart's Dreamworld take on the MDT.

It's a long chain of retardation consisting of relying on labels as their crutches.

The thing that confuses most people is they lock the MDT down to just there being multiple dimensions. Not necessarily. It's flexible enough to come up with several approaches to the idea of multiple dimensions/worlds/whatever you want to call them.

[keeps]

RIP Lisa

[Shadedarkan]

Too bad there hasn't been another character in the series yet that evoked the kind of emotional response she did. First time playing SH1 I was on the verge of tears during her cut scene and got angry enough at Harry for running out on her that I still kind of see him as a 'pussy bitch' (That's what I actually called him).

Of the things that disappointed me about SH Origins, what that game did to Lisa's character and persona ticked me off the worse. Makes me wonder how many people played that game before SH1 because Lisa won't be seen as she should have been. The fact that she is only sixteen or seventeen in Origins is also a little odd considering some of the scenes.

[Augophthalmoses]

Too bad there hasn't been another character in the series yet that evoked the kind of emotional response she did.

You could make a case for Mary in SH2 (especially the scene at the end when she's reading her letter) and Heather in SH3.

[Shadedarkan]

Too bad there hasn't been another character in the series yet that evoked the kind of emotional response she did.

You could make a case for Mary in SH2 (especially the scene at the end when she's reading her letter) and Heather in SH3.

For me, Mary's character wasn't developed enough in SH2 to make that level of emotional attachment. I would argue more for Maria in that regard, but I knew when I first met her that I wouldn't like her enough to care. In my opinion, Heather can't be considered the same kind of case since we knew, with near 100% certainty, that she was going to be fine.

[keeps]

Too bad there hasn't been another character in the series yet that evoked the kind of emotional response she did. First time playing SH1 I was on the verge of tears during her cut scene and got angry enough at Harry for running out on her that I still kind of see him as a 'pussy bitch' (That's what I actually called him).

Agreed.

[TheRedNurse]

I wasn't a big fan of Lisa in Origins either.

[what]

Guess that means the old theory I loved so much isn't right.

Which is too bad because her dying of drugs is really boring in comparison. At least it puts an end to the "Kaufmann murdered her" nonsense.

[keeps]

What was your theory?

[Purramid_Head]

Too bad there hasn't been another character in the series yet that evoked the kind of emotional response she did. First time playing SH1 I was on the verge of tears during her cut scene and got angry enough at Harry for running out on her that I still kind of see him as a 'pussy bitch' (That's what I actually called him).

Of the things that disappointed me about SH Origins, what that game did to Lisa's character and persona ticked me off the worse. Makes me wonder how many people played that game before SH1 because Lisa won't be seen as she should have been. The fact that she is only sixteen or seventeen in Origins is also a little odd considering some of the scenes.

She was in her early 20's in 1...

She's signifigant because she was the only character in Alessa's life that truley cared/loved her in some way. But she was so caught up in drugs that she could never fully help Alessa like she wanted to. Like James she's conflicted internally.

[mumbler]

Not really. Their previous claim was that the town was abandoned and that everything happened in one world. Then when more and more evidence started getting mounted against them, they switched to saying it's "bending reality" without realizing that they're just taking ideas that are derived from the MDT.

He says on his twitter that there's the Otherworld and the real world (which he jokingly calls Anotherworld) and says they take place in the same dimension. That's not really the same thing that TwinPerfect has been rambling about. Ito's idea of the Otherworld is more in line with the MDT than the one world concept they tried to run with for so long until now. Now they're basically trying to take various aspects of the MDT and pretend as if it's something else entirely. Most notably from crowbar's theories which were in turn derived from Pyramid Heart's Dreamworld take on the MDT.

It's a long chain of retardation consisting of relying on labels as their crutches.

The thing that confuses most people is they lock the MDT down to just there being multiple dimensions. Not necessarily. It's flexible enough to come up with several approaches to the idea of multiple dimensions/worlds/whatever you want to call them.

I don't really see how they changed their stance at all. They might do that in regards to some other things though.

But as far as this is concerned, they always went by what we learn in Silent Hill 1. A nightmare manifesting in the real world. At least later in the game when Harry says so himself. And I'd say there's no doubt Harry's playing narrator here and not just making a false assumption, because that really wouldn't make sense for the story telling. But we've been through this haven't we?

[Pyramid_Heart]

Origins(which was built with help from some of the original guys) already confirmed that Lisa overdosed. It doesn't show it flat out happening...But check her motel room. The polaroid confirms overdose for whoever the room represents. You also find her drugs in there. It is a bit blatant that the game is telling you Lisa's eventual story(as she shouldn't be dead yet, so the game can't show it in real time).

[what]

What was your theory?

That Lisa had not died, but that Alessa used her as the focus upon which Alessa placed the Seal of Metatron.

It was an interesting theory with compelling circumstantial evidence. Alas.

And I'd say there's no doubt Harry's playing narrator here and not just making a false assumption, because that really wouldn't make sense for the story telling.

You have that precisely backwards. Harry making a false assumption makes perfect sense for storytelling because he has absolutely no way of knowing the truth of the phenomena around him. Harry confirming a 'fact' makes no sense at all for the same reason (even after the events in the game, there's no possible way he could confirm the nature of the Otherworld), and also because he never does anything like this anyplace else in the story. In fact, no character in any of the games ever does this. All monologue and dialogue are contained within the story. To do otherwise would preemptively verify the success of his mission and completely ruin any tension and drama within it.

It is also worth nothing this:



So, yeah.

[keeps]

Oh that's neat. I think they would find that interesting as well.

[Purramid_Head]

4's world is not the same as 1-3's. If I were you I would have used the evidence you get when you put the placecards in...

---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrSaIsiM ... ure=relmfu

8:30 on

[Trauma]

He says on his twitter that there's the Otherworld and the real world (which he jokingly calls Anotherworld) and says they take place in the same dimension. That's not really the same thing that TwinPerfect has been rambling about.

Actually, that's exactly what they're ranting about. .

Not really. Their previous claim was that the town was abandoned and that everything happened in one world. Then when more and more evidence started getting mounted against them, they switched to saying it's "bending reality" without realizing that they're just taking ideas that are derived from the MDT.

They added on that the town was bending reality, it's not exactly contradictory... no matter how stupid. That's how they're saying it would work, it's the power of the town bending reality. I fail to see how this steals any ideas from the MDT. (Well, other than the explanation for where everybody fucking goes during the successive "reality shifts", but Twin Perfect never explicitly stated that the population of the town was being transported to another dimension-ust dissapearing)

Ito's idea of the Otherworld is more in line with the MDT than the one world concept

He said flat out that the real world and the Otherworld take place in the same dimension. This idea may be incorrect by a wide margin, but to pretend he said anything but is willful foolishness.

@Impaler And my insight is that Silenthill's "real world" and "anotherworld" exist at same dimension.
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Also, while I'm on the Devil's Advocate train, can someone please explain to me how Harry's blind interpretation of the Otherworld of Silent Hill is incorrect, yet Heather and Henry doing the exact same thing is absolute proof of multiple dimensions at work? That one always confused me.

[Purramid_Head]

I think there's confusion here. The other world is a reality based on this one and there are several other worlds. Another dimension implies another universe all together.