Honestly, I notice some of the smallest things. (spoilers)

[Lobsel Vith]

So I'm playing through Silent Hill 1 again, and while I'm only at the hospital I managed to notice a few details that I had either missed, or just ignored during my previous play through. I'm posting what I've found so far, and as I find more I'll edit this post.

1. Everyone knows about the snow and the fog in the foggy world, but did you know that in the nightmare world it rains? In the nightmare ally it rains. Outside at the school, nightmare world, it rains.

2. School - Remember the crying in the boy's bathroom that no doubt belongs to Alessa? I have wondered why she takes solace in the boys restroom. The answer may lie in the fact that two mumblers are in the girls bathroom. We know the mumblers are representations of the children that teased Alessa in school. This little part here could be a representation of what happened to Alessa when she was a student.

3. Everyone remember the cat right? Foggy world, you open the locker and out comes a cat. Then you hear it being killed. Now go to the nightmare world. The cat's not in the locker. When Harry walks past another locker a body falls out.

I've seen mentioned that this body is of the cat, and I believed it. Until I looked at it more closely I realized it was a body of a child. Again, I wonder if this is a representation of what happened to Alessa as a child. (Being shoved into a locker and left there.)

4. Alchemilla Hospital - Right before you enter the hospital you can hear a couple of gunshots going off.

5. As soon as Harry arrives at the fourth floor we see a shot of Alessa walking into the Green Lion Antiques store. I have to wonder if that scene was viewed by Harry, or just by us. It does tell us however that "Harry was too late."


and that's all for now!

[firecrest]

2. School - Remember the crying in the boy's bathroom that no doubt belongs to Alessa? I have wondered why she takes solace in the boys restroom. The answer may lie in the fact that two mumblers are in the girls bathroom. We know the mumblers are representations of the children that teased Alessa in school. This little part here could be a representation of what happened to Alessa when she was a student.

There was once a period of time during the development process when the character was intended to be a boy. There is a guidebook published by Konami Japan that mentions that the change happened late in the development process, and that they didn't have the time to change everything to reflect the gender change.

The crying that happens in the boy's bathroom is one of those things. If the staff had more time, they would have put the event in the girl's bathroom.

[strizzuth]

1. Everyone knows about the snow and the fog in the foggy world, but did you know that in the nightmare world it rains? In the nightmare ally it rains. Outside at the school, nightmare world, it rains.

I did know that but I never made much of it. Any theories?

4. Alchemilla Hospital - Right before you enter the hospital you can hear a couple of gunshots going off.

Yeah, that's Kauffman shooting something, right?

5. As soon as Harry arrives at the fourth floor we see a shot of Alessa walking into the Green Lion Antiques store. I have to wonder if that scene was viewed by Harry, or just by us. It does tell us however that "Harry was too late."

I wondered about that myself. I want to think that Harry sees it, even though there's really no reason to think that he should.

[Purramid_Head]

2. School - Remember the crying in the boy's bathroom that no doubt belongs to Alessa? I have wondered why she takes solace in the boys restroom. The answer may lie in the fact that two mumblers are in the girls bathroom. We know the mumblers are representations of the children that teased Alessa in school. This little part here could be a representation of what happened to Alessa when she was a student.

There was once a period of time during the development process when the character was intended to be a boy. There is a guidebook published by Konami Japan that mentions that the change happened late in the development process, and that they didn't have the time to change everything to reflect the gender change.

The crying that happens in the boy's bathroom is one of those things. If the staff had more time, they would have put the event in the girl's bathroom.

So that where that comes from. I think its better that its a girl and not a boy. A Holy Man's sect & the whole god ordeal just doesn't sound right with nothing but a boy. Plus, I notice that Sh has this way of putting females in high spiritual postions.

[firecrest]

So that where that comes from. I think its better that its a girl and not a boy. A Holy Man's sect & the whole god ordeal just doesn't sound right with nothing but a boy.

Well, the script was also modified to reflect this gender change, so it's not surprising that you find it that the story works better with a girl.

To my understanding, the original story was closer to The Omen than it was to, say, Carrie. If you think about it, monsters such as the Groaner or the Romper can be better attributed to The Omen. "Silent Hill Chronicle" says that the Rompers are manifestations of Alessa's fear of adults, but one has to wonder why such manifestations would be ape-like as opposed to more Mumbler-like, only older, since the Mumblers are Alessa's manifestation of her fear for fellow children. On the other hand, apes were shown to be very much violent in The Omen.

[Purramid_Head]

So that where that comes from. I think its better that its a girl and not a boy. A Holy Man's sect & the whole god ordeal just doesn't sound right with nothing but a boy.

Well, the script was also modified to reflect this gender change, so it's not surprising that you find it that the story works better with a girl.

To my understanding, the original story was closer to The Omen than it was to, say, Carrie. If you think about it, monsters such as the Groaner or the Romper can be better attributed to The Omen. "Silent Hill Chronicle" says that the Rompers are manifestations of Alessa's fear of adults, but one has to wonder why such manifestations would be ape-like as opposed to more Mumbler-like, only older, since the Mumblers are Alessa's manifestation of her fear for fellow children. On the other hand, apes were shown to be very much violent in The Omen.

Damian is the first thing that came to my mind when you mentioned the original scrpit! I never saw the original Omen movie, I saw a little of the remake. :-/ The book I heard was much more intresting. But still a creepy little boy, is not as nearly as scary as a little girl.

[Lobsel Vith]

There was once a period of time during the development process when the character was intended to be a boy. There is a guidebook published by Konami Japan that mentions that the change happened late in the development process, and that they didn't have the time to change everything to reflect the gender change.

The crying that happens in the boy's bathroom is one of those things. If the staff had more time, they would have put the event in the girl's bathroom.

Still you have to admit it's interesting that the girl's restroom contains two mumblers in there, and yet none in the boys restroom.

But, yeah I had heard that Alessa originally was intended to be a boy. Which makes me wonder why they switched the gender.


Hmm, I might have the Omen movie, but if I recall correctly the apes were rather violent. However from what I understand, the apes were violent around Damien because he was the son of Satan, and according to some animals tend to act up around demonic entities.

[21121]

I've never noticed the rain, but now that I think of it, rain does come up every now and then in the series.

SH4 the raining room in hospital.

SH2 (not sure but I recall somewhere in the hotel some rain) also several flooded areas, and the prison and burnt out hotel have water dripping (The waterprison in sh4 too.)

Sh3 the drive to Silent hill, but I doubt that is the same.


I can't think of a connection at the moment. Any ideas?

[NightFlutter]

5. As soon as Harry arrives at the fourth floor we see a shot of Alessa walking into the Green Lion Antiques store. I have to wonder if that scene was viewed by Harry, or just by us. It does tell us however that "Harry was too late."

Too late for what, exactly? I never understood the purpose of that scene except to give the player a clue as to where to go next. I know Dahlia tells you, but she's not as specific.

[Lobsel Vith]

When you confront Dahlia in the church she tells you to "make haste to the hospital before it's too late!" However, once you arrive at the hospital she's nowhere to be found. When you enter the nightmare world you see a brief glimpse of Alessa going into the Green Lion antiques.

Thus, Harry is too late.

[21121]

I'm really curious about the rain thing.


And I checked, it's the last part of Silent hill 2. Just before the last boss.

[Purramid_Head]

Theres also rain in the garden of the hospital in Silent Hill 2.

[Lobsel Vith]

According to wiki.

The Ancient Greeks believed that rain was a sign of the gods' anger towards them. They thought that it symbolised drowning and frustration as it often disturbed what they were doing.

[21121]

Ooh. Nice. Good find.

[Mercury]

You could also take the little kid stand-point of "God crying" when it rains.

[21121]

Doubt it. It would have to be from someones stand point in all the games, and I don't think there is anything like that. You could always say Alessa/Laura/Heather/Little Walter Might belive that, but I feel that is a bit farfetched.


Any notable raining areas in SH3? (Besides the car ride) I can't remember any.

[Lobsel Vith]

There was something odd my friend told me. This is according to the Old Testament mythology. Before the flood it apparently never rained. Every early morning a mist would cover the land and this is how the plants were watered.

Come the flood, and come the first rain. People who know of the tale know that this happened because God wanted to wipe out his creations.

Perhaps the rain in the nightmare world is a sign that the God is angry?

[21121]

Perhaps. Fits SH1. But only that. You see what I find weird is that rain is often attached with sadness, but that would be better in foggy world. But for some reason it's in the otherworld. . . .

[Lobsel Vith]

Or rain could symbolize anger as well. You have to admit that other than the roads being blocked, and the monsters, the misty world is strangely peaceful.

[NightFlutter]

To be honest, I don't know why they saw it necessary to make anything fall from the sky.

I heard that the fog was originally used as an excuse because of how the game rendered. If you've played any old PS game, especially on a multiplayer split-screen, things in the distance appear foggy until approached.

If that was true, then why add snow/rain? The fog worked just fine for the other games without any weather to go with it.